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what tuneing upgrades can i get for my x vert carbons 2001 model
as there age internally is begining to show

get tf to service them

He asked about upgrades, not servicing!

The internals are dated now though, i was going to buy a pair of supanova's but didnt for this reason.

but if hes trying to get better performance out of them, then servicing will make them work better if they havnt been serviced for a while

yeh thats what i meant. it would be an upgrade because they would work alot better after they have been tuned for his weight!

Yes servicing would obviously make them work better if they havent been serviced in a while, however a standard service doesnt include tuning them to his weight and would not be an 'upgrade'. 

but an upgrade in performance which is generaly what an upgrade does

sorry guys what i mean is,is there any new internals etc thast you can get like the box cart for the boxxers etc,sorry for the confusion.they havent been serviced for ages so ill probably do that

if they need servicing, it would be better to do that before you upgrade them!

I cant believe you had to start a thread to decide you needed to service them.  They have basic internals, take them do it yourself..easy

ow ok thanks

there arnt new updaated internals for them like the boxxcart, your best bet though is to ring tim flooks and ask him really!

sorry to piss in your fire, but standard or new internals arn't avalible for the mantiou carbon x verts, it took me 4 weeks to get hold of a top cap for my old set (and this is about 2-3 years ago) i really doubt you can get parts now.

because of the poor materials they use for the internals, ie, a lot of plastic, and piss thin alloy, and the fact they are closed oil bath (piston) it would be difficult to service anyways or make improvements, the piston itself is not even an inch thick and the whole thing holdes practcaly no oil.

the best you can do is, take the lowers off, clean the inside of them and the stantions. put some mantiou fork grease round the seals, put back together and put a few pumps of grease in the grease ports.

there an old classic, they needed a lot of tlc then, and even more so now. probaly the highest maintanence fork there was.

if your not to sure what your doing ring good ol tim and see if there is anything he can do,,, there are no upgrades avalible for this fork, the best you can hope for is a slight improvment inn the perfomance.



(is it obvious i owned a pair? and taken apart many times ;))


gonch

So? Why would you want an inch thick piston?

it dont fill me with confidanse knowing that its no thicker than your thumb, seald, with comprestion and rebound rods going through it, and unlike rear shocks it has to handle 7/8"... where would you make the improvments? i cant think of anything other than a good cleen that will improve the forks performance.... but as i said TF might be able to help. im no expert with seald units. but i can tell you a few tricks how to manipulate open bath designs to increse or decres travel and performance. espesialy on monsters ;).



gonch

You rear shock shaft is thinner than your thumb, does that scare you?

no. tis only 3" stroke. bigger resivour, not under as much stress, with much larger seals. and (back to the point of the thread) if it does break parts a readaly avalible, unlike the x verts.

Meh, save your money and jsut buy some more modern forks (heh, comig from a guy with Mr. Dirt FAT forks . . . ::))

I've had three sets of x-vert ti (one of them was Gonch's old set!) and they've all been utter bobbins.

Gonch is right, they are the highest maintenance fork in the world, ever!  Back in the day they were mainly billed as an ultra light 'race' fork - but that meant stupidly regular services.  I had a pair for a while, had them serviced, then they needed it doing again after a few weeks.

Stick them on eBay as someone will buy them (well they did with mine), and save for some 888s!  ;D

yup... the only upside to the x verts is when they work, there unbeatable for perfomance.

Dude, if you don't know what you're talking about, keep on the quiet side :)

that makes NO sence ...

dude...is it tha obvious i know balls all bout rear shocks? hehe, if you know anything about the subject in hand (Mantiu x vert internals), please intervien at any point,

am speaking from experiance... i have taken these forks apart and put em together more than i can remember. i can honestly say i know the internals well, and there is little room for improvement.

yes they have brilliant performance "when they work"
but because they are strictly designed for race, there no good for long term use.
the poo materials used,
if the internals arnt breaking, ie.. the piss thin seals going,,

is it me or am i digging a rather large

sounds like any fork manitou have ever made to me gonch ...

Manitou fork upgrade?

Marzocchi.

hahaha.

erm .... dont forget suntour ... might not perform as well .. but more reliable ...

not sure you right on that one. pace monsters anyone?

think tf is your only chance, last time i was in there they had a big draw full of manitou damper parts.

I'm thinking more

Manitou fork upgrade?

Anything!

80% of the manitou forks we sold this year came back with issues! Lets just sya its goodbye manitou, hello fox!

Your best upgrade to an X-Vert carbon would be to replace the internals with a stronger cheese. I would reccomened replacing the Wenslydale lower legs with some Catherdral City Cheddar.

Possibly, you could remove all the plastic, melt it down and build as small palace out of it.

And or, buy some Marzocchi's.




On a more serious note, Gonch is pretty much correct about the interals. There is not much you can do to them.. Service them or get them serviced, and then give them TLC. Keep your eye on the Carbon brace, too. They tend to crack and fail.