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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2007, 23:35:57 PM »

hey. its been almost a week since i went to see the ortho
i am really angry with the whole thing. i am sure all he was thinking about was what time he had to tee off!
after waiting over four weeks for the results of this bloody mri. i was in his consulting room with him for about four  f**king minutes.
The upshot being - i have some wear and tear of the cartlige on the back of the knee cap get used to it!
No s**t sherlock!
i'm still kicking myself for not asking more questions, but he kind of took me by surprise, here was i ready to be baffled by some big words and complicated proceedures, and all i got was sorry you will just have to live with it.
oh as i was walking out of the door he muttered something about ostioarthritis, literally under his breath as i was getting my coat on.
like i said i was in shock at the lack of info, so just kept walking.
i have been pretty busy on the web finding info on my condition. chondromalacia of the patella is the catalist to ostioarthritis, but Mr.ortho is getting no browny points for that.
So i have took it upon myself to rest the knee until xmas, go see a sports physio and keep taking the glucosamine.
oh. i shall be going back to my gp and airing my veiws to him and to see if i can get a second oppinion.
Looking at different web sites about this i have found there are all sorts of different options open to me for treatment. not one of them mentioned by Mr. ortho.
Conclusion;- he couldn't be arsed, i am on my own!


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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2007, 00:28:10 AM »

wow , your story is so similar to mine   , I'm 35 years , knee pain as you described started just over a year ago ,so  i had a couple of months of at Xmas thinking i just needed to rest up for a bit . i bought a new orange 224 in March at the start of the season only to have the pain come straight back after my first ride out . just about managed 10 days in France in July and that was the last time i rode .


Ive been to physios and they didn't really do anything for me  , my ortho also did this  "muttered something about osteoarthritis, literally under his breath as i was getting my coat on "  which left me quite numb and depressed for a couple of days after .

After much reading and internet trawling Ive come to the conclusion its one of two things 

1) chondromalacia
2) osteoarthritis

I'm leaning more towards osteoarthritis at the moment , i rode BMX from 84-98 and that did my body no favours , ill find out in a few weeks from the MRI i guess Huh?

i bought a kayak in the summer for something to do other than riding and i loved it
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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2007, 22:22:47 PM »

it's funny when your a kid you think your going to live forever, you never think about the future or what effect your having on your body, smoking drinking just playing out on your bike,
Playing football week in week out until i was 26 was my downfall. 
The trouble is 35 seems such a long way off when your seventeen.
i only got into mountain biking a few years ago and i love it, the reason i got into it is because all my mates ride, they're already trying to get me to go to innerliethen next week, it really gets me down.
i have said jokingly i am going to have to get a canue or something.

what really p**ses me off is more of my mates are just starting to ride, and are getting totally stoked about it, and i can't go out with them, i know i shouldn't go on, i have a lot to be greatful for. nice house. car. wife. kid. own business, i just think not riding is going to leave a huge hole in my life.

should have done drugs and not bothered keeping fit between 20 and 30. thats pretty much what my mates were all doing!
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« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2007, 00:01:29 AM »

yep , you never really think about the consequences when your young , i always thought i would be in my 60's if arthritis struck but its incredibly common in people who have done impact sports to get it in their mid 30's  .
 
anyway if it is osteoarthritis there is hope , synthetic cartilage is a very fast moving area  in medicine , in a few years i pretty sure they will have it sorted
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2007, 15:52:03 PM »

synthic cartlidge will not be around are a long time i recon, cartlidge is such a complex strong stucture, when they do it, some one will make billions of pounds!!!!

OA, will show up on x ray have you noticed any newish boney lumps around your knee?

could see if you can get a bone density scan, speka to your GP

but dont read everyting there is on the web, there are a lot of rubbish out there like wikipedia

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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2007, 18:24:14 PM »

Ha I was reading this like "Oh sweet hope this dues got some advise I can forward to Steve..." then I realised im a dumbass.. Hi Steve! Haha. It totally sucks what you were telling me the other friday, I'll have a snoop around for you, my mate at uni is from a family full of highly regarded doctors so hopfully one of them will be specialised in this kinda area.

How about trying clips on xc for a bit and see if theres any problems with that? Knowing nothing about knee's id guess they'd be quite hard to heal like with ankles as you usually always are applying weight / pressure so maybe this rest is all you need.

I certainly wouldnt get down about it as you dont have an answer yet so dont be expecting the worst.

If you dont want to turn into a fatty - you can borrow my kayak and have a play and if you like it grab yourself one then we can tan it down some rivers! (I've got a mate who used to kayak for britian or something silly good) so I could recruit him and get some serious white water sctuff on the go Cheesy

Dont stress yet, have a Guiness Cheesy
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2007, 22:49:23 PM »

synthetic cartilage will not be around are a long time i recon, cartilage is such a complex strong structure, when they do it, some one will make billions of pounds!!!!

OA, will show up on x ray have you noticed any newish boney lumps around your knee?

could see if you can get a bone density scan, speka to your GP

but dont read everyting there is on the web, there are a lot of rubbish out there like wikipedia



Hi dirtdemon

your right about not reading to much off the internet , i started looking into my knee pain problem and pretty much had myself in a wheel chair within 3 years .

But the synthetic cartilage is well on its way ,and its currently being trialled now , i have a friend who's dad has just this week gone in to have it done , from what i understand its silicone based and is a lot less invasive than you might think . when he gets out ill post up some info on it

just googled synthetic cartlige and found this dated 2002

http://www.salumedica.com/news_details.asp?ID=21



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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2007, 23:05:14 PM »

thats really good , i will speak to my lecture about that, he is a podartic surgeon so will know about it, i will love to see it work, but honestly i cant see it working yet.

OA i think is noramlly over 40s and fitness helps prevent it. just trying to refesher my brain from the lectures,

see your gp again
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« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2007, 17:21:47 PM »

Hey guys, thread hijack here-saves having too threads the same next to each other.

I'm having knee pain too, but not from overuse. A month or two back I was knocked off my bike by a speeding driver and knee took the brunt of it. It was quite painful but most of the pain when away leaving only minor discomfort. But that minor discomfort is growing and becoming much more of a problem.

Its most painful when I haven't moved it for a while- like when i've just woken up. It goes away quite a bit when I use it, once I get into a biking session its ok but its taking me longer and longer to get to the point where the pains goes away.

Anything I can do about it? I was thinking of buying a knee strap/support but I should I really be seeing a doctor about it? I don't want to go there if I shouldn't be as i'm there enough at the moment with various aliments and don't want to get to the point where my gp tells me to bugger off!
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« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2007, 17:33:02 PM »

Just go to the doctor or physio, sounds like a simple answer will come right back at you. hope you get well soon rob.
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« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2007, 17:42:52 PM »

Yeah I think thats the best option. Anyhow knee pain is much more welcome than bollock pain!
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« Reply #26 on: November 21, 2007, 21:24:46 PM »

hey alex! 3211 posts, how do you find time to ride!
i feel so humble knowing an immortal godlike!
but thanks for looking i didn't know you cared.i guess you didn't expect to find me on here e.
I went to the health food shop on sat and asked for some advice. she was actually very helpful
i'm taking 3000mg of glucosamine and 3000mg of some kind of fish oil stuff everyday. i've changed my diet quite radically, no sugar, no salt, no prosseced food, no acidic fruit, no red meat. Loads of leafy green veg, lots of oily fish, i'm even eating frickin bird seed, i will try anything.
I might just take you up on the kayak idea give me a shout when your next home and we can discuss it over a pint, thanks again!
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« Reply #27 on: November 22, 2007, 00:13:51 AM »

hahaha sounds like you've been veganized fella! lets crack out that pint over a 10oz gammon.

hahah as im writing this i just got your text about gail!!! hahahaha im sorry- 20k of calorie intake from guinness aint good! well it is but ill probobly have put over a stone on tonight!

sorry again!

ps - of course i care! need someone to kick my arse who isnt wearing lycra!
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« Reply #28 on: November 23, 2007, 10:22:57 AM »

I had a problems with my knees a few years ago, I was getting crunch/grinding of the cartilage, and as you had sharp pains. I got the same useless responses from the Docs!

I now am pain free with little crunching.

If your knee cap is unstable ie not being held in the correct position, you will get these symptoms.

I spent just one year focusing on strengthening the leg coupled with taking glucasomine and Marine Chrondroitin. I also looked at getting the right proportions of muscles. So if you say have a weak area focus on that.

I did a combination of:

Squats - The most effective exercise for me! Some say these are bad for your knees, but if you do not lower your body so your legs do not pass 90 this is not an issue, also do not lock out at the top.

Leg Press - works similar to the squat but a bit easier on the back.

Hamstring curls

Roman dead lifts - Also very good for working the Hams

Not sure what its called but lie on your back, with leg straight (not locked) and lift to 45 degrees (many reps as possible each leg)

WITH ALL OF THESE EXERCISE START LIGHT CONCENTRATING ON GOOD FORM AND INCREASE GRADUALLY EACH WEEK. Keep reps between 10-12.

Your knees might ache at first, this is to be expected, but as you build your legs this will diminish... hopefully  Wink
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« Reply #29 on: December 25, 2007, 21:32:49 PM »

hey not been on for a while been really busy with work. thanks for the reply and the advice, will take it on board.
going to see a specialist on friday so i will let you know the outcome.
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