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neck braces/back protection- make your own mind up
« on: November 22, 2007, 14:13:23 PM »

http://www.descent-world.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&Itemid=94&task=view&id=748

read the article and come to your own conclusions

IMO I think the move that BC has made to ensure younger riders wear back protection in NPS events is a good one. As much as I like how sam hill rides ( and how much he promotes IH bikes!) I understand that he doesnt crash alot and its his or anyones prerogative not to wear protection.( I could have picked on any rider not wearing body  protection but he will undoubtedly have the maximum exposure in the media this year) I do feel that as a role model for lots of people, the current "trend" to not wear armour is a bad thing. I feel I am qualified enough to callit a trend due to the sheer amounts of people I see without their protection and the fact that I have been racing for 17years!!. A few years ago it was pretty unheard of and unusual not to see everyone kitted up, the armour is cheaper now and its better fitting so there is not really a vaild excuse

Im guilty of not wearing it some days but I am rethinking my motives for this ... maybe some more of you will after reading the article above

sorry to sound like a doom mongerer at the end of the day its your choice but its nice to be informed of the consequences therefore the article is essential reading(IMO)
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« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2007, 14:21:35 PM »

Certainly I've started not wearing my armour nearly as much as I used to - not directly because of people like Sam Hill etc, but maybe indirectly - my mates stopped wearing armour, so I stopped.

And I have to say I feel (and I think I am) so much faster with it on.  If it's dry and I'm "confident" anyway.  If it's wet and rooty I go too cautiously without armour, but in the dry I definitely seem to rip faster without it.

But then I come off and have to get 6 stitches in my elbow where normally my pads would have let me get back up and carry on!  Ho hum Smiley

However, that's talking about the superficial protection that body armour gives you.  Cuts and grazes heal, and no shin or elbow pad will stop you from breaking bones.

The fact that a good spinal protector can stop yourself from being paralysed if you land with your back on a pointy rock is enough to make me think I'm an idiot for sometimes not wearing mine...
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« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2007, 14:35:30 PM »

i think it a good idea, i always wear my spine protection, and boy has it saved my spine and i am thank full for it.

but downhill is a dangersous sport and things will happen, the rule for childern to wear it protection is a good one then you become adult and you are old enough to mak eyour own mind up.

if the children have to wear armour. it dosent matter what the pros wear because the kids will have to.
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« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2007, 16:40:05 PM »

I think it's a combination of the the majority of tracks are too easy to roll down ( Good and Bad thing) , also bike are alot better than they used to be. Which makes people think there invinsible because they have 9" of suspension to protect them.
It also alters the perception of speed and danger when it's not as hard.

I would alway wear Armour if riding Gethin or Mynydd Du or Fort bill, Because they scare me the poop out of me. But places like bringewood or Forest of Dean, Are alot easier to get down, Even though i'm probably travelling alot faster on those tracks and In theory, I could hit a tree alot harder.

Downhill tracks need to be made harder in my opinion, But that's a different topic.

Armour should certainly be made compuslary to wear at races. Even for top level riders. Let's face it racing isn't cheap anyway, So people who race will probably have the money to spend £100 on some armour on top of there race fees anyway, They just choose not too.

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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2007, 16:49:45 PM »

That's a brilliant article,  the issue of spinal injuries and protection again them is a big one in any sport of this type, they had exactly the same issue in track motorcycling in the 70's.

I personally wear armour every time I race, although quite often when im just chilling out riding, i dont bother.  I'm seriously considering a Leatt, although I've got £150 to spend on a shoulder brace as well, so that's an issue.

The only thing I don't like with the Leatt is the issue of Collarbone breaking, as anyone who knows me will know, i've had enormous problems with collarbone brakes, nerve damage, steel plates etc etc etc.  And could really do without any more!

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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2007, 18:03:56 PM »

Hard protection DOES protect the body from bone fractures (but not in all extreme cases) as it dissipates the concentrated energy from a fall over the area of the pad thus spreading the load & preventing fractures. I do think that every one should ride with armour especially back protection. Sumo & myself both now wear modified ice hockey armour combined with a DH back protector after suffering various shoulder injuries. Wearing the ice hockey armour has prevented me from damaging my messed up collar bones any further - I've had countless hard hitting offs landing directly on my shoulders including body checking trees. Although shaken and winded no major damage suffered due the hard armour spreading the load. Added bonus of being much cooler to wear and really quick to get on/off.

We always recommend to riders of all abilities to wear at least a full face lid, leg & arm protection at the park because we're always seeing people cutting themselves up on sharp flint or getting familiar with a tree! Wearing armour might be a pain but it's the difference between carrying on riding after a fall, or a injury involving weeks/months of pain. Remember broken bones are never the same again - I still can't get a decent night sleep lieing on my side after 15 years!
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2007, 18:51:28 PM »

how comfterable is hockey armer?
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2007, 19:43:34 PM »

These have been around in the MX world for a little while and I am looking at getting one, dont know how it would be for DH but I will use mine if I buy a bike and go France in the summer.

Another thing that is massive in MX is knee braces, why are they no used in DH. If I was wearing them when I hd my crash I will have most likely not bust my knee like I did
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« Reply #8 on: November 22, 2007, 19:54:08 PM »

how comfterable is hockey armer?


It's not soo bad aslong as it's descent. I've got Rbk 9K Body armour which is the top of the range stuff. Is very light and pretty comfortable. I wear an underarmour under it to stop it rubbing and getting as sweaty.

Look to pay about £35-45 for a descent set of armour which will be ok for biking.
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« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2007, 20:27:03 PM »

I recently had a crash on a 4x track which left various bone broken. Not only this but I also suffered from spinal compression, I must admit it was pretty scary when the doctors started talking of fractured verterbrae. Luckily it wasn't as serious but boy did coughing hurt! On a more serious note though, it is something that needs addressing and at first I disliked the idea, however I am warming to the idea, and hopefully over the next year, some more affordable versions may pop up. If so I will get one of them, if not, well I better start saving now.

Another very well informed article from Alan, good stuff.
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2007, 03:04:38 AM »

Hopefully over the next year, some more affordable versions may pop up

Seen a few at £300, not a lot for the price of your neck. A lot of my MX riding mates have them and they defo think it was wise money spent
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2007, 15:25:06 PM »

I've had a Leatt for a couple of months. I landed on my head at Cwmcarn and hurt my neck. The next day I read about Matti L and a couple of other unfortunate riders who have come off worse. Got it on ebay for £200 the same day.

Once you've got it dialed you don't really notice it when you're riding, so I'm happy with it.

I'm not young anymore, i've had big crahes now and then and have broken a few bones. I can live with that but i couldn't live with a permanent diability.

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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2007, 15:45:00 PM »

Injuries above C-5 (5th Cervical vertebrae in the neck region) will affect the phrenic nerve, which controls the diaphragm. This large muscle allows you to breath properly. Without control of this, the injured person will not be able to breath for themselves and are quite likely to die at the scene of the accident. If the person can be put on a ventilator immediately they can survive, but will have to remain on a ventilator for life.

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« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2007, 19:14:21 PM »

on DH tracks, i always wear my body (spine) armour, as i know usualy if i fall off, i will be able to get back on the bike within minutes and have another go

the only serious riding ive done without body armour (wore shins + helmet) was at red hill extreme, but its a smooth track, and not alot of variable, so chances of coming off (imo) were quite small. DH tracks have too many variables (take an inch diferent line and you hit a root causing you too crash) to take the risk
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Re: neck braces/back protection- make your own mind up
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2007, 19:30:46 PM »

even though i rarely use one unless im racing i agree that there is a need for people to wear spine protectors as they fit nicely and dont really feel to uncomfortable and could quite easily save your life.

but dont you think it is a little extreme to wear neck braces?
i dont mean that as in they are all useless and nobody should wear them but i reckon it is a little over the top. and yes they could save your life but you could be walking down the street and get runover but your not going to stay at home just because there is a chance it may happen??

not quite the same i know but can you see where im coming from?
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