So I havent watched 12/13 year old kids racing karts on Motors TV then?

I know nothing about the karting scene so I won't argue with you, but coverage of one series is a hell of a lot more than we get isnt it?

At the end of the day, even at low regional levels, karting is a huge sport in comparison, with it's links to the higher echelons of motor racing, something that DH doesnt have.

Rootes

Does anyone know if the organising the race series and maintaining the courses is Jason's main source of income?
If it is the poor guy could be potless before long?
As the greatest expense seems to be the uplifting at events I put this idea forward:-
All the courses apart from Pen-Yr-Heol are on FC land which when using Jason has to abide to the law concerning uplifts and insurance and pay the FC a rental as well as maintaining the courses at his own expense.
Why not move the series to private land, farmers are all complaining of falling markets and would welcome the extra source of revenue. I was talking to the landowner @ Caersws and he makes more from one race weekend than he does leasing the land for the remainder of the year!
Being on private land then Jason would not have to conform to such strict uplift laws and insurances - this will reduce cost quite a bit. Finally as the race would be on agricultural land the uplift could be provided by the farmers who use red diesel, this is less than half the price of normal diesel, pay virtually no road tax(if they have agreed minimal road mileage)  and Jason does not have to maintain the vehicles / trailers so should reduce the cost even further.
I realise that marshalls are still needed and facilities such as toilets and medics are required so there is stil that cost element, but using the race 5 events marshall 1 should lower costs a bit as well.
The upkeep and building of the courses then should be paid out to Jason as a wage afterall we can't expect him to do it for the love of the sport. This is not an effort to reduce the costs of the races just to keep them @ the £55 mark.

ps - still doesn't solve the problem here for Jason in fionding the £20k

its more like 15-20 marshals 10-15 on track 3 doing car parking  a Head marshal and a couple checking the track

What about food & drink for the marshals clothing flags whistles , all costs it still gets me that your all whining marshal 1 day for entry next day easy really cheap weekend then

landie man its a bit easier getting around a kart track than up a 3 mile mountain ?
this is jasons main form of income , you going to factor in his time in maintaining the track too ?
sourcing all the prizes , getting course tape ,aranging marshals , doing entry's, meetings with the FC, councils i think not sit back and think about what you are saying if not spend 1 weekend with jason at a DH race and then come back

This thread has become a joke!


So many people are talking out there arse! 

Well I hope the joke bit wasn't aimed at me..... I have worked so hard trying to get to the bottom of this nonsense and trying to get my head round it.

Basically - A non profit Organisation like the SDA for example do not have to charge VAT - even if they exceed there £64,000 turnover.

Anyone making a living / earning / profit or whatever must then charge VAT on their entries. 

Any Tour Operator does not have to charge VAT on their entries either.

Thanks

Mike

landieman , sda used to use voluntary drivers , it resulted in ruined trucks , crashed trucks and generally alot more chaos than there is now.

with the size of trucks being used now for uplifting to comply with the law they must be driven by someone with an HGV licence

also pretty sure this also applies to transit minibus uplift as its forhire or reward

Marshalling: I think a lot more people would return to marshall if there was a system where the marshall gets moved to all the different marshall points (could be a pain to organise). People may do it for less money as it would be much more enjoyable.