That much is true Gridds, but there are VERY few frames, even top dollar mainstream ones that havent had problems, or been snapped/broken by the companies team or test riders.

That's a fact.

Rootes

frame failures of current generation frames (i.e. not a 5 year old bike) are a result of bad design engineering or manufacturing problems...and that's all i am saying on this subject 

Right. So let me get this straight. Sorry to divert from the Yeti 303 issue.. but..

An Empire cast frame has snapped, under intended use, within a year or so?

An Empire cast frame, that utilised the best technology "used in the motor cycle industry", that has had extensive R&D, including full FEA by the supposed 'best in the business', has even been redesigned to a certain extent and was even overbuilt so it wouldn't fail, has failed?

The whole principle behind the frame was to eliminate weak points (e.g. welds) where other frames are weak. Was it not?

Yet now it does something that some people said would happen (who were apparently, to quote Dirt - "talking out of their arses") and snaps in half 'like a poppadom'.

Oh dear. That is embarrassing.

Yeah he does.

Most frames wil crack, depending on useage and conjditions.

Even Specialized f**ked up the demo in 05, an had to sort it out.

Aslong as it's only a monir break, an you don't snap your neck it's no big deal, you het a shiny replacement

Obviously they should be up to there intended perpose, but this world has bigger issues, but that's another subject.

FEA, computer modeling and all that shitnaz does  very well at telling you where weak spots are going to be and whatnot, but it still relies on a monkey to input the right loads... Not imputting the right loads results in snappy snappy.
Computers are great but they are not perfect, even formula one teams test thier products for real after the computer has, because problems ALLWAYS arrise from real life testing. Thats what team riders are for, to find out what the computer didnt.
That empire swingarm was a proto, so not the final jobbie. no doubt they have looked at it and made it better.
I really dont like your attitude in that post, fair enough getting some facts straight, but when what you are ranting about is bent you just look like a complete tool