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Why full face helmets are daft.
« on: July 09, 2008, 13:09:41 PM »

Has anyone ever thought about why full face helmets are designed the way they are?  Well, I've been thinking about it, and it does make one wonder...

Before even getting to the issue of aerodynamics, let's consider rider comfort and performance.

Whenever I put on my DH helmet after riding in my XC gear, I feel like I'm suffocating because of the face guard.  I'm breathing my own breath.  It's hot and it's probably reducing the amount of oxygen I can get into my blood to power my muscles.

So why is the face guard solid?  Why can't it be much more open?  All it has to do is protect against impact.  They stick some token vents in there, as if they do much good...

If it were open and you could get 5% more oxygen in your blood, imagine the difference that could make on a course like Ft. William!

This looks naff, but the face guard is more open...


Imagine the fresh air!



All I can think is that full faces are traditionally designed this way because this has always been the way motorcross helmets are designed...to protect from roost, etc.  But that's not a problem in DH racing.  It's just daft.

I reckon the old full face helmet needs an redesign from the ground up for downhill racing...

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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2008, 13:11:31 PM »


Whenever I put on my DH helmet after riding in my XC gear, I feel like I'm suffocating because of the face guard.  I'm breathing my own breath.  It's hot and it's probably reducing the amount of oxygen I can get into my blood to power my muscles.


i dont think i've ever noticed that.
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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2008, 13:18:15 PM »

for dh racing could be for falling and hitting objects e.g roots, rocks, your bike ?

 good point though but i guess there also stronger as the american football style helmet would bend easily
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2008, 13:19:19 PM »

What helmet do you have??
 personally i dont find it a problem
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2008, 13:19:31 PM »


Whenever I put on my DH helmet after riding in my XC gear, I feel like I'm suffocating because of the face guard.  I'm breathing my own breath.  It's hot and it's probably reducing the amount of oxygen I can get into my blood to power my muscles.


i dont think i've ever noticed that.

I have. I hate it.
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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2008, 13:25:21 PM »


So why is the face guard solid?  Why can't it be much more open?  All it has to do is protect against impact.  They stick some token vents in there, as if they do much good...


i think crashes like this could be why?

i'd like to see the old giro stand up to that, the have a hard face part because they are desiugned to withstand a certain ammount, and the shape they end up to the best design that person has founf to meet that stregnth, without weighing a ton! and while also folloing the lines of the lid!

the vents on the front let enough air in! if you fond it dont then go faster to force more air in!

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2008, 13:26:04 PM »

Aaron, you just need to ditch the 661 and get something where your lips aren't on the chin guard.

Anything more open than a normal full face would catch on objects and abuse your neck, rather than sliding over things. Last night was bad enough in that soft crap.
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« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2008, 13:28:24 PM »

if someone turns up at a race with that american football helmet on i'd be well impressed. In fact why not wear the whole outfit with pads and lycra trousers and a miami dolphins top.
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« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2008, 13:33:47 PM »

The solid chin guard stops all the crap/dust getting in your mouth, Imagine the 100% decrease in performance when you start choking on dust.


Plus, Wearing a baseball helmet would look gay.
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« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2008, 13:38:30 PM »

The solid chin guard stops all the crap/dust getting in your mouth, Imagine the 100% decrease in performance when you start choking on dust.


Plus, Wearing a baseball helmet would look gay.

 didnt think of that (dust wise)

 and yes it would look gay . . .


    i can see doddy using one in next months mbuk  Tongue
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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2008, 13:49:23 PM »

along with dust you can count small rocks, with regards to stacking it i think id be much happier with a solid object! no vents here!
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« Reply #11 on: July 09, 2008, 14:11:44 PM »

Whenever I put on my DH helmet after riding in my XC gear, I feel like I'm suffocating because of the face guard.  I'm breathing my own breath.  It's hot and it's probably reducing the amount of oxygen I can get into my blood to power my muscles.

Wouldn't say so, if you're having that much of a problem might I suggest investigating the possibility that you have an incorrectly fitted helmet? As for recycled breath, once you're moving airflow increases dramaticallty...

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This looks naff, but the face guard is more open...

Imagine the fresh air!

Those things shouldn't be allowed to be sold as full face helmets, theres a reason you only ever see XC boys with them on and it's because the face guard is nigh on useless. Also IIRC they pop off with little studs, hardly useful.

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All I can think is that full faces are traditionally designed this way because this has always been the way motorcross helmets are designed...to protect from roost, etc.  But that's not a problem in DH racing.

Since when? The only alternative to keeping the amount of shite I hit out my face would be a mask which would be a heck of a lot worse than a full facer. Mud, s**t, gravel, water, you name it and it's probably still got past the "pointless" roost protection on my MX helmet.

Now don't take this the wrong way but are you a fast rider at all? Or do you hit things slowly, thus never getting the full benefit of your kit? I only ask as that seems the only way you could have come up with this theory, I'm not having a dig, just wanting to see where you're coming from...
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« Reply #12 on: July 09, 2008, 14:57:43 PM »


All I can think is that full faces are traditionally designed this way because this has always been the way motorcross helmets are designed...to protect from roost, etc.  But that's not a problem in DH racing.  It's just daft.


the visor is to protect from roost, not the chinguard...
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« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 15:00:55 PM »

I have the MET Parachute. I would never use it for proper downhill and highly doubt it would stand the force of a big impact

For XC it's awesome though - saved my face from many a nasty scrape.
Oh, and if you think it looks daft like that, you should see it with the chin guard removed!
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« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 15:04:07 PM »

Well it's not like I'm podium fast, but fast enough.  I don't ride a lot of dry dusty trail I suppose (this is the UK after all) and I rarely get a mouthful of anything, perhaps because I don't fall that much.  I'd rather have some air...

Downhill at the top level is a one man sport, coming down a clear hill.  People are wearing skin suits at the world champs to get a couple of seconds.  Every fraction of a second counts.  I'm coming from the angle of having top level downhill kit designed properly.  Downhill is a 3-4 minute sprint, where you need as much oxygen in your blood as possible.  And we've got a shield in the way...

I'll admit, it's not as noticeable once up to speed, but in slow sections if you are huffing it, I'd prefer an open design.

I'm not talking Giro Switchblade here, I'm talking something completely new...carbon composites just like the best helmets...strength would not be an issue.
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