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Re: Why full face helmets are daft.
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2008, 21:04:36 PM »

What's wrong with the helmets we have now? They look like MX lids, but they've been altered and tweaked over the years to become better for DH. If it aint broke, don't fix it.

Ha ha, this coming from a guy calling himself "experiment"...  Grin

I tend to agree with Part Time.

Will try the Specialized tho, thanks for the tip.  I must admit, Specialized due seem to put more thought and engineering into their products (for better or worse).  Probably helps that they are a mountain bike only company.
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« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2008, 21:10:29 PM »

Probably helps that they are a mountain bike only company.

Are they really?  Tell that to the teams running Specialized components, frames and kit on the tour de france.

They are MUCH more than an MTB company.

The Specialized Deviant isn't recommended as a DH lid by Spesh, but an All Mountain one, for the XC'er wanting a bit more protection.

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« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2008, 22:11:05 PM »

If it were open and you could get 5% more oxygen in your blood, imagine the difference that could make on a course like Ft. William!

quick question.... where did the 5% figure come from? is it from some scientific study or just an arbitrary value?

if you really need 5% more oxygen in your bloodstream, try cutting down on the fags!  Grin
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« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2008, 06:24:11 AM »

Erm, did I say mountain bike company?  I meant bike company...  Roll Eyes

I arrived at the 5% number by comparing my red blood cell count from blood samples directly after doing runs with both full face and dirt jump helmet on.   Wink

Of course it's just a number out of the air.  Someone else with far more medical knowledge than me already posted a biomedical response.

Man, you guys just love ripping apart people's ideas.  I must admit, I've learned a lot about the SDH community from this thread...
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« Reply #94 on: July 16, 2008, 07:02:23 AM »

Man, you guys just love ripping apart people's ideas.  I must admit, I've learned a lot about the SDH community from this thread...
They've no doubt learnt a bit about you...  Wink It's a forum after all - of course people are gonna contest your ideas and disagree here and there, don't worry about it !
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« Reply #95 on: July 16, 2008, 08:44:06 AM »

Were we simply supposed to pat you on the back and congratulate you on an amazing fix to a non-existant problem?

Of course we were gonna comment and criticise your idea...criticism isn't purely negative, a lot of people have pointed out good parts of your idea.

Personally, like mny others I've spent a lot of time wearing a full face, and a lot of time in 30 plus degrees, and haven't found the problem you're describing.  From a sports scientist point of view, you'd be lucky to find and increase in performance, let alone an increase in RBC count.  The only advantage you might get, is through getting colder air to your lungs which can increase your efficiency, but even then, it'll be minimal if existant.

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« Reply #96 on: July 16, 2008, 08:57:45 AM »

My old Fox made me want to take it off after a run, 'cos I felt I was breathing my own hot air - though I never felt this when riding, I guess 'cos I was moving. My new Giro Remedy though, does not give this feeling at the end of a run. I suspect that some helmets may exhibit the issue the original poster is talking about, but that is not to say all full face lids exhibit that, thus I can't see the need for a "new" design, mealy "better" designs, like the Remedy.
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« Reply #97 on: July 16, 2008, 13:27:58 PM »

Remedy in an awesome helmet, totally loving mine Wink

a bigger problem than "breathing resriction" (which is probably a mental thing) with some full-face helmets is a tendency to give you heat stroke, especially during freeride use in the woods and on the timber planks, where you don't get the forward speed to ventilate the helmet that you would if using for DH riding

we found this on Vancouver's North Shore....uncomfortably hot

that's why i stopped using MX helmets for freeride, and switched to the Remedy
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« Reply #98 on: July 16, 2008, 17:17:55 PM »

Were we simply supposed to pat you on the back and congratulate you on an amazing fix to a non-existant problem?

I like how if you don't have the problem, then it must be non-existent...   Roll Eyes

It is interesting to me though that there are only a few people who have responded that have experienced the same thing I have.  Anyway, it doesn't have to be a big problem to be improved.  Otherwise we'd all still be riding single pivot bikes...

Oh well, it's been fun discussing.  Would be interesting to see a sports scientist do some research to see if there is any oxygen restriction, however small, from having a chin guard in the air flow.  And maybe some wind tunnel testing of different peak designs.  But that'll never get done with the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude...so I best be takin' my ideas elsewhere!  Cheers dudes, no hard feelings...   
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« Reply #99 on: July 16, 2008, 17:48:14 PM »

Would be interesting to see a sports scientist do some research to see if there is any oxygen restriction, however small, from having a chin guard in the air flow.  And maybe some wind tunnel testing of different peak designs.  But that'll never get done with the if it ain't broke don't fix it attitude...so I best be takin' my ideas elsewhere!  Cheers dudes, no hard feelings...   

I'll suggest it to some of my sports science friends looking for a dissertation project.  You're not wrong, it'd be interesting to see the outcome.  It's something I could've looked in to if I had any interest in that area of the sport or the subject.  Unfortunately I don't...I'm more in to the psychological side of sports.

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« Reply #100 on: July 16, 2008, 21:05:26 PM »

Otherwise we'd all still be riding single pivot bikes...

err... they seem to be still quite popular  Grin
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« Reply #101 on: July 16, 2008, 22:08:09 PM »

Otherwise we'd all still be riding single pivot bikes...

err... they seem to be still quite popular  Grin
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« Reply #102 on: July 16, 2008, 22:13:17 PM »

Otherwise we'd all still be riding single pivot bikes...

err... they seem to be still quite popular  Grin
Single pivots are the best, end of. Anyone argues, I ban them Wink

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« Reply #103 on: July 16, 2008, 22:15:18 PM »

Linkage single pivots for the domination of Al.
If I didn't like Turner's so much I'd call you a rude name Wink
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Re: Why full face helmets are daft.
« Reply #104 on: July 17, 2008, 08:57:40 AM »

I'm just struggling to see how you would see a drop in RBC's.
Ok possibly a drop in the O2 stats but there should not be a drop in cell count.
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