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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2008, 22:18:08 PM »

well said scott ....
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2008, 09:52:19 AM »

Right... No offence is meant by this statement:

This appears to be beyond your skills and/or equipment level.. in which case take it to a local engineering firm! It will be out in 5minutes and wont cost you much..
No doubt they will just TIG a piece of bar on, and then use that to untighten it, helped by the heat!

Please note i said "engineering firm", do not confuse this with "bike shop" of any form!

This is a very common occurance in engineering (and mostly preventable on initial fitment!)

And a daft question... that picture shows writing saying "10mm allen key"... to check, you have tried uptightening that bit havent you?
I have a guy i know who can weld a bar on and hopefully shift it, but ill leave it till last, as he lives quite a bit away. You can say to just sod it and go there or find somewhere nearer but ill wait for now. No need to touch the 10mm part, its off the cranks. 8mm crankbolt is all that matters, i found that the 10mm cap is useless anyway as when the 8mm bolt is off the arm slides off. usually lol.. Oh and dont start about fitment, it was put on properly by myself, bb faced and straight and axle lubed with plenty of good quality grease, This was in january and i was taking the bike apart to regrease when i discovered the problem, dont imply im an incompetant mechanic.

Piss off droid, no need to get arsey about it, youd be "whingeing" if it happened to you.

Oh and thanks guys, you have all been a big help.

Your clearly not a competent mechanic and an even less skilled engineer so stop with the abuse towards people who can actually undo an 8mm bolt without ruining it. It's nobodys fault bar your own so quit the abuse towards people offering you advice which you seem to just be ignoring.

Heat up the crankarm and bolt and hope that the difference in expansion is enough to break the seal free on the job. You can either try this whilst using a Torx bit or, ideally, kill two birds with one stone and have a decent bit of stock welded to the bolt which you can use to loosen the bolt. The heat generated from the welding process will be sufficient to free the bolt.

You did remove the 10mm auto-extractor fitting first I hope - If the crank arm is stuck to the axle thats a whole different problem but relying on the 8mm bolt to remove said arm isn't the best answer and might explain this situation.

FWIW, soaking it in WD40 is about as much use as soaking it in spermicidal lubricant in engineering terms. Use plus gas or something with penetrative qualitys greater than that of a water melon for maximum results.

Welding isn't a big job, steel welding requires no special set up or anything else, I can think of countless local shops which would weld something onto that bolt for free, whilst you wait.. You don't need to travel 100 miles and you don't need a welder. Turn up at your local engineering workshop and ask the man nicely..

Sorry to sound like I'm ranting - Edd gave you some good suggestions and his comment of asking whether it was fitted properly was perfectly reasonable - you rounded the bolt and the allen key.

At what point did i say welding was a big job and required a special set up? all i said was i know a guy who can do it who i can trust and id rather use him than phoning up a random company. ok? and also the bolt and allen were perfectly fine, not rounded when the cranks were installed. The rounding happened whilst trying to remove them, resulting in twisting the allen key as well. ok so i might not be the best mechanic ever to exist on this planet but you might be, i dont know. christ. sometimes i dont know why i bother using forums with the amount of arsey replys.
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2008, 11:50:12 AM »

But let me get this straight it's alright for you to give an arsey reply?

Have you noticed something about this thread title? It's just like half the others in this section of the forum - bad mechanics looking for a company to blame for their mistakes.
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2008, 12:08:14 PM »

But let me get this straight it's alright for you to give an arsey reply?

Have you noticed something about this thread title? It's just like half the others in this section of the forum - bad mechanics looking for a company to blame for their mistakes.

I cant speak for this guy because i dont know about him but i am a very competent mechanic that has build and maintained bikes/cars, mx bikes and various other toys for years.  This same seized problem happened to me, with my diabolus cranks.  Its not always the mechanic you know, just most of the time.  Anyway isn't it about time this got deleted.  Any person wanting to sort a problem would have took note of the replies here and sorted the cranks by now anyway.  This is just wasting space and time!
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2008, 16:47:35 PM »

But let me get this straight it's alright for you to give an arsey reply?

Have you noticed something about this thread title? It's just like half the others in this section of the forum - bad mechanics looking for a company to blame for their mistakes.

I cant speak for this guy because i dont know about him but i am a very competent mechanic that has build and maintained bikes/cars, mx bikes and various other toys for years.  This same seized problem happened to me, with my diabolus cranks.  Its not always the mechanic you know, just most of the time.  Anyway isn't it about time this got deleted.  Any person wanting to sort a problem would have took note of the replies here and sorted the cranks by now anyway.  This is just wasting space and time!

I have taken heed of the replys actually, ive just got back from a garage know who nicely removed the bolt with an air gun thingy whetever you call them. bolt threads look fine, aswell as the arm threads, im still stumped as to how it got into this situation. Anyway at least there off, just waiting for the new crankbolt and theyll be back on and ready to rip. hopefully i wont encounter the same problem again.

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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2008, 08:50:28 AM »

Just make sure you use a load of anti-seize to prevent it happening again!
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #51 on: July 25, 2008, 08:15:59 AM »

Glad to hear it all worked out in the end, and sorry for opening the E-can of worms.

Any chance you could bob a picture up of the old bolt/threads inside the axle? Maybe we can have a crack at diagnosing why the hell this happened!
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #52 on: July 25, 2008, 20:23:38 PM »

Glad to hear it all worked out in the end, and sorry for opening the E-can of worms.

Any chance you could bob a picture up of the old bolt/threads inside the axle? Maybe we can have a crack at diagnosing why the hell this happened!

honestly, they look pretty normal! its foxing me, i mean it was just like normal, ton of blackened grease on the outside, cleaned it and it seems fine. Threads are intact. i really dont have a clue lol
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #53 on: July 25, 2008, 21:14:51 PM »

My RF's are pretty tight but I've run them for over 1 1/2 years and they've always come off fairly easily, the only time mine took a real strain on the allen key is when I was taking them off the factory build for the first time, maybe that was your problem.

The tool the garage used would have been an impact gun, good for tight stuff but a bit over the top.

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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #54 on: July 26, 2008, 13:40:33 PM »

My RF's are pretty tight but I've run them for over 1 1/2 years and they've always come off fairly easily, the only time mine took a real strain on the allen key is when I was taking them off the factory build for the first time, maybe that was your problem.

The tool the garage used would have been an impact gun, good for tight stuff but a bit over the top.



nah these were installed new by me.
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Re: Well thank you very much raceface...
« Reply #55 on: July 26, 2008, 13:52:58 PM »

i have just had the same problem on a mates bike with evolve x-type cranks. i just went down to my local car garage and borrowed their pneumatic (sp) drill. fitted an 8mm allen key head and it worked. even with the drill it was bloody hard to undo.

best bet in the future is to take them off after every wet ride/wash, that way no water/much collects and siezes them.
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