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« on: July 19, 2008, 19:07:41 PM »

Hey all. I have been accumulating 2nd hand components to build a new mountain bike since i swapped street MTB for BMX around one year ago. My aim was to once again have a bike suitable for some rough cross country trails and downhill, whatever that is classed as these days, as my old one had progressively turned into the street MTB that i had just sold.



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Brakes:
Hope M4s, Goodridge cable and pads

Gears:
Shimano hyperglide cassette, random chain, shimano XT mech, shimano deore shifter

I have just finished putting together a final build with all the parts i had. I had a quick ride to check what was and wasn't working and i have a few questions:

1/ I got my current tyres free with the wheels. They are around 90% worn down, and i would like to have a new pair before i ride the bike seriously. Could anyone recommend the best tyres for general offroad non-serious use? Is it worth looking second hand?

2/ I have bled both the brakes myself recently, and bought brand new pads. I bled using the same method, with what seemed to be the same success. However, one brake remains 'spongey' despite rebleeding, and the lever pulls right to the bar without biting the rotor hard enough. The oil is still topped up to the maximum level, so i have read up and suspect a 'system leak'. Could anyone explain the basics of what this is, and how i would investigate and fix it?

Front brake performing well:


Rear brake performing badly:


3/ The chain fell off several times while switching gears. Would shortening my chain help this at all, as i did not adjust the length since i bought it, again 2nd hand. It would also occasionally shift one too many gears and skip occasionally. Have i made a mistake in setting the gears up, in which case should i just re-do the whole thing?

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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2008, 19:19:00 PM »

1. I would reccomend a pair of maxxis highrollers, in single ply, about 2.35 width. These would suit you're needs perfectly.

2. The brake may need bleeding, or the pads could be worn down.

3. You will need a chain device if you want to have a single ring at the front. The chain will be skipping if it is used and you have a new cassette, it will be worn, the cassette will not be.

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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2008, 19:22:16 PM »

1. I would reccomend a pair of maxxis highrollers, in single ply, about 2.35 width. These would suit you're needs perfectly.

2. The brake may need bleeding, or the pads could be worn down.

3. You will need a chain device if you want to have a single ring at the front.

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1. Thankyou. Any experience buying 2nd hand?

2. I would of thought that but i bought brand new pads and bled the brake this week at the same time as the the front brake, yet it still wont perform.

3. When i used to MTB i didnt always use this, yet i didnt have a problem? Is it necessary?
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2008, 19:29:44 PM »

1. You'll be able to pick tyres like these up second hand no problem, they'll be loads in the classifieds on this forum. It is worth getting some with a good amount of tread left, tyres make one of the biggest differences in how a bike handles.

2. If you have recently replaced pads and bled it, it will need "bedding in". This is just the time it takes for the brake to achieve some bite. The only way to do this is to keep riding with it. Drag the brake down a large hill for instance, then just keep using it until it gets it's bite.

3. Technically, chain guides aren't necessary, however on bikes using a single front ring and gears out back, the chain will always be in danger of coming off due the extremes of the cassette, rough terrain etc. I feel this would be a very worthwhile investment if you plan on any Jumping / light downhill on the bike. If the chain is skipping, it could be worn, especially if it is being used with a new cassette.

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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2008, 20:17:04 PM »

1. I'd recommend either Maxxis holy rollers or DMR moto diggers- both have a tread pattern that tends to result in drifts rather than outright loss of grip.

2. If its feeling spongy, it could be air introduced into the system via the diaphragm in the top cap... go to the hope website: http://www.hopetech.com/ to see their video on rolling the diaphragm into place- also, tie the lever as tight as possible to the bar overnight and then any air should rise into the reservoir- remove the topcap and top up fluid as necessary, followed by rolling the diaphragm into place as before.

3. Without a doubt you need to shorten your chain- with the chain on the largest sprocket, the derailleur should be stretched forward almost parallel with your chainstay. Also, you will need either a chain device or front derailleur, otherwise your chain will fall off regularly.
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2008, 20:24:54 PM »

2.35 high rollers would be unecessary- a 2.1 tyre would be more suitable; again a highroller, hard compound.

The advice given regarding front mechs/devices and brakes is what I would say so no point me repeating them!
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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2008, 20:50:31 PM »

Thankyou for all the advice.

Can i assume then that i made a mistake in the bleeding of the brake, and it is not a fault in the brake itself?

Would a bashguard alone be sufficient to prevent the chain falling off?
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2008, 21:08:39 PM »

A bashguard should stop the chain falling off on the outside of the chainring, but not the inside. It is still likely it would come off over rough ground.

For the hassle, you could buy a truvativ boxguide or similar device of here, some go as cheap as £15! They are very reliable, which means you never have to worry about losing a chain half way through a run. You'll also notice it will make the drivetrain quieter, as the chain is more tensioned as it enters the mech.

Hope you sort it mate!

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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2008, 13:24:17 PM »

At this stage I'd just try to sort the brakes as I described- if you still have no joy, then post again and we can help you investigate further.

As has been said, a bashguard will not stop your chain falling off.
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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2008, 18:25:51 PM »

i tied the lever to the bar on the brake which wasnt working which did work, once i rolled the diaphram over like shown on the hope site. however, i tried it on the other brake, as it was now performing below the newly set up brake, and it split oil out of the calliper onto possibly the rotor/pads.

shortening the chain helped the gears, although theyre very skippy in the highest gears, so i think the mech needs re-alligning.
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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2008, 21:29:28 PM »

For tires, high rollers are definately the way. You can get some deals on second hand tires that aren't that worn but they usually take some finding to get a decent set. Width wise-  if you wanna do a bit more light dh than xc i would personally run 2.35 rather than 2.1 (so you can get away with lower pressures), but this is personal preferance, it really depends what you like. As everyone has said already a chain guide would definately help.
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Re: Hope M4/Gear set up/Tyres help
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2008, 22:42:00 PM »

Personally, one thing i really hate is drag on the tyres, which is why i'm slightly reluctant to get double 2.3" DH tyres. The case is MUCH more light DH with emphasis on XC/singletrack, which i know my frame is ridiculous for, but it is what i have for the time being.

I also know its dumb to go against all reccomendation, but Panaracer XC pro's caught my eye, as theyre less chunky and thinner. Are these known to peform well?

I am definately looking for a chain guide after riding properly today. Again, ill see what crops up on the 2nd hand market.
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Re: Chain guide/Tyres help
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 10:48:02 AM »

sorry to post another question.

the second hand market for chain guides turns out to be a bit more complicated than i imagined due to all the different sizes ect.

my front chain ring is 32t, and many chain guides have gearing limits about 36t. Does this mean the rollers wont go far enough in to work for smaller gearing?
the e-13 DRS is designed for 32t, but is obviously for dual rings. Is there any problem running it with just a single ring?
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Re: Chain guide/Tyres help
« Reply #13 on: July 24, 2008, 11:08:44 AM »

The DRS needs to be used in conjunction with a front mech- chains always fall off from the top 1st- the bottom roller of a chain device is just to add tension so the chain grips the ring- its the top part that stops it from de-railling in the 1st place.

Generally speaking chainguides are listed with the largest chainring they can handle, so a 36T should have sufficient adjustment to accomodate a 32T, but a 42T guide probably wouldn't.

Also, if you hate drag on tyres, look into holy rollers rather than high rollers or if you're used to a bit more mud, try DMR moto diggers.
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Re: Chain guide/Tyres help
« Reply #14 on: July 24, 2008, 11:45:20 AM »

Ok, that theory works for alot of the chain guides on the market, but lots of items are also advertised with a range of sizes:
http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/Models.aspx?ModelID=8303
"34-46t"

Am i right in thinking it would work for 32t, and if not you could file it down a little until the roller could rotate far enough around to work?
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