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Topic: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it? (Read 1322 times)
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Tim L
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drill the bugger out and tap it with a larger sized thread.
this was one idea, if i was to tap it with a bigger bolt, then that should fix the problem. Plus, after feeling the stem, it takes a hell of alot of force to even get the back piece to flex a tiny bit. So excessive stress is being put on the bolts.
It is a stupid design, and im never recommending a deity stem ever again.
When you tighten them, they turn to the left, which is just annoying!
They thread easily (i have spoken to friends and it has happened elsewhere)
And for the money you can get much better! (stem is £45)
Gusset stuff is just as good and is £15 cheaper!
The bars seem okay, but the cranks snap all the time and the BBs are s**t!
Deity stuff has got such a good reputation because it looks so good! Performance wise its no better, if not worse than alot of stuff!
What a load of crap It's a knee-saving design which is a fantastic thing to have on jump bikes! And of course you can't move the sodding thing by hand. That's why the screws are there; mechanical advantage! And on what basis do you say the cranks always snap? I've heard of a fault with one set, which was supposedly the first ever sent back to Deity. The mk1 sets got rave reviews for being one of the finest, best executed cranksets on the market. And anyone who buys stuff just because it looks pretty wouldn't appreciate that anyway. I love mine to bits even if lighter, snazzier cranks are available. They feel solid and I wouldn't question their reliability. Deity are a decent, rider-oriented company. See what they have can do for you, but don't start slagging off their entire range because you mashed a couple of stem bolts Smithy Ive heard from lots of places of them breaking, Ive spoken to a few shop owners about it, they have agreed that alot of sets do snap. I have one friend who is on his 5th set. And yes, some of their stuff is good, i like it all aswell. But im finding it hard to spend £45 on a stem that doesnt work.. Also, after having a proper look, it is a basic design flaw in the stem. It is an aluminium cast, with small bolts pulling on it on a short thread! So of course it will break if some ham fisted idiot like me touches it Fixed for you The only flaw is with your logic. if you cant help then F**k off. And i wasnt 'ham fisted' i tightened it to where i deemed it would be fine. It couldnt take this and threaded. If your going to do anything heli coil it don't put a nut on the other side. It will just look bad.
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Are all Pro 2s made badly or is it just me? I am thoroughly annoyed by the whole thing. Revell 250r  |
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Tim L
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ok before you start telling someone who is qualified in these matters to f**k off ...
what gives YOU the right to deem it to be tight enough ?
your area of expertise lies in ?
you were doing it with your torque wrench right ?
you were using your quality tools right ?
and if your mates on his 5th set of cranks then why is he still using them ? more fool him !
I'm not doubting his knowledge in the area. Im criticizing his ability to answer questions. What he wrote wasnt helping. I have the right to deem it tight enough as it is my stem, and its just common sense really. It just felt too tight. I was using an allen key set, not a huge pole thing. Should i have to use 'quality tools' to do a simple job that could be done with anything? Its not brain surgery, any decent allen key does the job fine. And i believe the fact he kept using them was due to a sponsorship commitment. |
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Tim L
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Should i have to use 'quality tools' to do a simple job that could be done with anything? Its not brain surgery, any decent allen key does the job fine.
descent is defined by quality
i could buy an allen key outa the pound shop and fit my stem ... but using a halfords professional allenkey would minimise the risk .....
ok so we have defined its your stem and that gives you the right to define "tight" so that pretty much invalidates your warrenty ...as regardless of whos stem it is , deity specify the torque settings , if not supplied its up to you to ask , if then told to yank it as tight as possible then fair enough ...but i doubt they will have said that
i didnt so it 'as tight as possible'!!! It had been done pretty tight in the past, ive tried to explain this! but this one, i hadnt even got that tight, i didnt fully tighten it because i wanted to check if the headset was wobbling, and to see how much force it needed to turn the bars (out of curiosity). As i continued to tighten it a bit more it just went! |
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Squirrelking
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sounds to me like you have un evenly tightened the bolts causing the bottom one to lock on the stem and not allow tightening ....
One was broken from the second i had it! but because it still worked fine i left it. But then it has got worse as both have done it. LMAO So was it broken or was it fine? Make your mind up... The fact of the matter still is that if you suspected something was wrong with it in the first place it was up to you to take it back to the shop and have it looked at. If you went ahead and ended up buggering the whole thing up then it's nobodies fault but youself. Plus it now sounds like you've been freelancing into quality control destructive testing: i wanted to...see how much force it needed to turn the bars (out of curiosity).
Step back, learn a lesson and next time do it properly. We've all been there so listen to the voices of experience. Oh and furthermore, unless you have a torque meter built into your arm I'd suggest you know nothing about what "tight enough" is. You'd be surprised how "loose" a manufacturers recommended setting actually is. |
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sketchmasterx
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you were doing it with your torque wrench right ?
I have the right to deem it tight enough as it is my stem, and its just common sense really. It just felt too tight. Is it just me that sees the issue here. "common sense". quite. Tim, torque wrenches are used by F1 engineers who know a hell of a lot more about mechanics than you and have a vast amount more experience. It is your right to be a muppet, but you then have to deal with the consequences. Never used a torque wrench for anything, and if you do your a great big geek! (or an F1 engineer!) Trial and error is allways the fun way, and Tim, you just errored! |
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sketchmasterx
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P.S. and i used to be a bike mechanic! (not saying i was a good one though)
Well I for one am glad you weren't using "trial and error" on my bike. And for the record the term isn't "great big geek" it's actually "properly trained".  The place i worked (not naming any names) didn't even own a torque wrench and the bike department was closed after 6 months of being open, got some nice Park tools and a training course out of it when it shut. Scary place, it was part of large sports shop chain and the main mechanic, well, i wouldnt of let him anywhere near your bike! But seriously how many home mechanics actually own and use a torque wrench. None of my mates who ride do, i never have and Ive built and serviced all my own bikes since i started riding over 12 years ago and never had any major issue and given that there are alot of younger riders on here i very much doubt they have access to one (or other exspensive tools). I know a proper bike shop it would be expected but who would go to the effort of getting a bike shop to fit something like a stem. |
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