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Re: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it?
« Reply #30 on: July 24, 2008, 08:28:08 AM »
OK i might get one and give it a go (see how far off my trial and error is) and as you seem to know about these things. What kind would be best for bike maintenance, i noticed they vary in force or something, any advice???

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« Reply #31 on: July 24, 2008, 08:30:44 AM »
The size of torque wrench needed for cycle use wont be that expensive as it doesn't need to be that big.
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« Reply #32 on: July 24, 2008, 08:36:28 AM »
What's the size?
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« Reply #33 on: July 24, 2008, 08:40:42 AM »
Im not too sure, anything capeabl of 15nm maybey...someone please correct me if im wrong.

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« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2008, 08:41:42 AM »
I changed fleabay to a hyperlink to a proper tool site. Basically the Draper £20 jobs should do the job, all the £200odd ones tend to either be high torque industrial jobs or overpriced Snap-On stuff.

Something from 5Nm upwards should cover everything though getting that sensitive might cost a bit more 10Nm seems to be about the norm for most applications.
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« Reply #35 on: July 24, 2008, 08:48:07 AM »
Quote from: Squirrelking on July 24, 2008, 08:41:42 AM
I changed fleabay to a hyperlink to a proper tool site. Basically the Draper £20 jobs should do the job, all the £200odd ones tend to either be high torque industrial jobs or overpriced Snap-On stuff.

Something from 5Nm upwards should cover everything though getting that sensitive might cost a bit more 10Nm seems to be about the norm for most applications.

Nice one, i'll give it a go.

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« Reply #36 on: July 24, 2008, 09:02:13 AM »
At the end of the day, it's covering yourself the same as a bike shop does.  If you tighten components to the required torque, in the event something fails it's less hassle for you and the manufacturer when it comes to warranty issues.  Plus you have peace of mind that your bike is in tip top condition.

We tighten every bolt that has a recommended torque with a torque wrench, that way we eliminate ourselves from the equation when something breaks.  It's either a manufacturing fault or the customer (tim, hehe) has fudged it.

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« Reply #37 on: July 24, 2008, 09:06:35 AM »
Quote from: Miffy on July 24, 2008, 09:02:13 AM
At the end of the day, it's covering yourself the same as a bike shop does.  If you tighten components to the required torque, in the event something fails it's less hassle for you and the manufacturer when it comes to warranty issues.  Plus you have peace of mind that your bike is in tip top condition.

We tighten every bolt that has a recommended torque with a torque wrench, that way we eliminate ourselves from the equation when something breaks.  It's either a manufacturing fault or the customer (tim, hehe) has fudged it.

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Guess ive been lucky.
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« Reply #38 on: July 24, 2008, 10:07:56 AM »
It ain't about being lucky or unlucky.  It's about taking luck out of the equation!

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« Reply #39 on: July 24, 2008, 10:15:33 AM »
Quote from: Miffy on July 24, 2008, 10:07:56 AM
It ain't about being lucky or unlucky.  It's about taking luck out of the equation!

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Well yeah but i just meant that over the last 12 years of riding and building bikes having never used one i have never actually over / under tightened anything to point it's broken or had any major issues, (apart from my old 98 GT LTS that used to full apart after one run, maybe the proper torque would of solved that, lol)
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Re: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it?
« Reply #40 on: July 24, 2008, 12:03:34 PM »
Quote from: sketchmasterx on July 24, 2008, 10:15:33 AM
Well yeah but i just meant that over the last 12 years of riding and building bikes having never used one i have never actually over / under tightened anything to point it's broken or had any major issues
But then you have something many lack, some common sense. You can get away without a torque wrench if you understand what torque settings are and have some finesse with your hands, especially on cheaper bikes. But, when you start looking at high end kit, carbon especially, a torque wrench is invaluable.

Perhaps I should admit to never owning a torque wrench myself... Wink
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Re: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it?
« Reply #41 on: July 24, 2008, 15:08:12 PM »
Quote from: [Al] on July 24, 2008, 12:03:34 PM
Perhaps I should admit to never owning a torque wrench myself... Wink

Same here, looking into one now though. TBH though a stems easy enough isn't it? Its gotta be pretty tight or else your gonna get hurt, its always been easy for me to tell when its tight enough using just a regular key....  Hey maybe I'm not always as much of an idiot as it seems!
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Re: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it?
« Reply #42 on: July 24, 2008, 17:59:01 PM »
Quote from: Poller on July 24, 2008, 15:08:12 PM
Quote from: [Al] on July 24, 2008, 12:03:34 PM
Perhaps I should admit to never owning a torque wrench myself... Wink

Same here, looking into one now though. TBH though a stems easy enough isn't it? Its gotta be pretty tight or else your gonna get hurt, its always been easy for me to tell when its tight enough using just a regular key....  Hey maybe I'm not always as much of an idiot as it seems!

thats what i think, surely doing up a stem doesnt require a £20 tool?!
Its a simple job and it doesnt need tools that cost a fair chunk of the cost of the part.
Just seems silly for such a simple job.
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Re: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it?
« Reply #43 on: July 24, 2008, 18:18:09 PM »
Quote from: Tim L on July 24, 2008, 17:59:01 PM
Quote from: Poller on July 24, 2008, 15:08:12 PM
Quote from: [Al] on July 24, 2008, 12:03:34 PM
Perhaps I should admit to never owning a torque wrench myself... Wink

Same here, looking into one now though. TBH though a stems easy enough isn't it? Its gotta be pretty tight or else your gonna get hurt, its always been easy for me to tell when its tight enough using just a regular key....  Hey maybe I'm not always as much of an idiot as it seems!

thats what i think, surely doing up a stem doesnt require a £20 tool?!
Its a simple job and it doesnt need tools that cost a fair chunk of the cost of the part.
Just seems silly for such a simple job.

It may seem silly, but using the stem with only one bolt holding it was silly tim Wink
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Re: Deity Problems, Whose fault is it?
« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2008, 18:21:26 PM »
Quote from: Tim L on July 24, 2008, 17:59:01 PM
Quote from: Poller on July 24, 2008, 15:08:12 PM
Quote from: [Al] on July 24, 2008, 12:03:34 PM
Perhaps I should admit to never owning a torque wrench myself... Wink

Same here, looking into one now though. TBH though a stems easy enough isn't it? Its gotta be pretty tight or else your gonna get hurt, its always been easy for me to tell when its tight enough using just a regular key....  Hey maybe I'm not always as much of an idiot as it seems!

thats what i think, surely doing up a stem doesnt require a £20 tool?!
Its a simple job and it doesnt need tools that cost a fair chunk of the cost of the part.
Just seems silly for such a simple job.

Tim you're missing the point.  If you're too stupid to do the stem up properly using both the bolts as it was designed, you CLEARLY do need a £20 tool to do it.  Or alternatively, you need to start taking your bike to a bike shop to get it done.

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