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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #45 on: July 25, 2008, 10:01:29 AM »

Bench cutting is what you see at pretty much every welsh/scottish trail-centre where the trail snakes across the side of the hill. It's a very hardwearing, weather resistant building method. I'm not a huge fan of it on DH trails as it takes away the camber and makes it hard to use natural features, but the technique can be adapted by using an outslope that differs from the IMBA prescribed 3-5% as the trail progresses.
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #46 on: July 25, 2008, 10:15:53 AM »

I thought it was a bad hair cut?  Cheesy
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« Reply #47 on: July 25, 2008, 10:37:34 AM »

I'd love to see that! Although I can't really see the barber getting the inclinometer out.
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #48 on: July 25, 2008, 11:09:46 AM »

Cheers Paul for your comments!  Even though you don't make many build days, you did some great fabrication work for ChaseTrails free of charge  Smiley 

So anyway Paul, what was that good news you got?  I know work was a bit shaky...things looking up?
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« Reply #49 on: July 25, 2008, 12:10:37 PM »

Cheers Paul for your comments!  Even though you don't make many build days, you did some great fabrication work for ChaseTrails free of charge  Smiley 

So anyway Paul, what was that good news you got?  I know work was a bit shaky...things looking up?

I'll tell you Sunday mate....can't tell who might read this thread.

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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2008, 05:06:18 AM »

I think the guys at Stile Cop are pretty open to ideas. You've got to realise that the trails have got to be built to acceptable standards to the Forestry Commission, hence no shonky woodwork. Some sort of trust has to be built up before people can be let loose with a spade. That's just common sense though.

For example, I'd felt for a long time that the stuff at Stile Cop needed to be well.....bigger. Stu knew I was a sensible chap so handed me a set of keys to the area and I built the basis of a new line (no prizes for guessing which one by all accounts  Wink) which was finished by the Chase Trails once I moved out to British Columbia. I've seen some video footage of it and for a small line (in length....) it looks pretty cool, and if nothing else, different to everything else there. Dunno if anyone rides it though  Grin
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2008, 14:00:48 PM »

if i'm coming along tomorrow to mainly help build, should i bring my own shovel or are there plenty around?
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #52 on: July 26, 2008, 14:47:34 PM »

The jump is, was, after the big clearing.

We don't have a problem with walkers at Cannock as they're official trails. I don't think it's kids as they make a mess. This was a rider really going out of their way to dismantle a jump on someone else's trail because they didn't like it, or because they wanted to steal the wood or hardware. Perhaps whoever did it feels they own the trail and have the right to do it?

Moobs, well. What can I say? You seem happy enough to ride the trails I build and those that the other official builders have created and you know who I am and how to contact me or any of the other trailbuilders and we've heard nothing from you, and then you choose to express your discontent on an internet forum. Come and have a chat at the timing day on Sunday. Get what you need to say off your chest.
im not being funny or nothing but how can you say that jump is s**t it looks well built to me , if i ever had a chance to ride up there  i would have loved to hit it it looks a nice jump and its just stupid to tear it down i think !
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2008, 12:02:51 PM »

Well, just got around to reading this thread having forgotten my log in for this site.

First off the Jump is back! And it’s better than before. It’s a little lower so less kicky, it needs less skill to hit cleanly for the berm but hopefully more people will be happy with it.

Thanks for all the support from people on this thread, it’s great to see that what we’re doing is liked but some if not all.

I’ve got no problem at all with people not liking our work, that’s life. What does p**s me off is when they post up from behind their monitors about how bad things are. For the size of the hill I reckon there’s a decent spread of trails up there, check the trail map to see just how many!

http://www.racersguild.co.uk/Cannock/Maps/Stile%20Cop%20Trail%20Map.html

Chase Trails seem to have a bad rep with some riders but just remember that we’ve spent the last 4 years trying to bridge the gap between riders and the FC. It’s taken me a while to get my head around what people might want but now I seem to spend more time riding at Stile Cop than I do XC on the Chase.

It’s unlikely that you’ll ever see exactly what everyone wants but we really are open to suggestions. Check our forum for updates or email me direct with ideas (stuart@chasetrails.co.uk). Give us as much help as you can, “we need bigger jumps” really doesn’t help, likewise show up once in a awhile to help turn these ideas into reality. The website is pretty empty at the moment but we’re working on improving the content over the Summer to keep you better informed.

A couple of years ago the unofficial stuff (Ridge Run, Wonderlands etc) were out of bounds for the FC but we’ve worked with them and now have official building going on over there. This helps to protect the trails during forestry works so when trees get felled there will be something left of the course afterwards. Remember that apart from Balboa and the new line that’s coming soon we aren’t massively changing the existing trails, we’re tweaking them to make them work better and last longer.

We’ve got more plans for the hill how much of this we can turn into reality depends on what funding we can beg and borrow to do what’s needed. We’re up there at least once a month if you want to come up and find us and I’ll always answer emails.

Chase Trails don’t run the hill but we’re the closest thing there is to a caretaker as you’ll get. Use us to work up news ideas rather than thinking we’re just here to ignore you.

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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2008, 21:55:28 PM »

Why didn't you just build the jump out of dirt, far easier ,IMO it would look better and it would be harder to knock down, problem solved !

I you want tips on what to build just ride the single track on the other side (unofficial side) because that stuff seems way more fun and flowy, es specially when you hit it fast.
Just try and get away from all the man made wooden stuff and gravel just doesn't look good on a DH track keep it natural looking!
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #55 on: July 31, 2008, 07:56:39 AM »

This is the problem with just dirt:



The trails on the other side are great, but they come and go every year.  On the official side we're trying to build trails to last 5 years. 
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Re: Trail vandalism at Cannock Chase
« Reply #56 on: July 31, 2008, 08:41:54 AM »

Why didn't you just build the jump out of dirt, far easier ,IMO it would look better and it would be harder to knock down, problem solved !

Over in Chetwynd coppice, you can build jumps out of dirt, as the soil's reasonably clayey, it sticks together. If you build something, it lasts.

On the official side, the soil type on the hill itself varies between sand and sand and gravel. It's just rubbish for building jumps with. Any lip needs to be reinforced with timber or it'll disappear within days without any more help than a few people riding over it. In the past, trailbuilders at Cannock have used deadfall to pad out jumps and to reinforce lips. Because we're bringing the hill up to Forestry spec, we simply can't use deadfall, so it has to be treated timber. It doesn't look great when it first goes into the ground I admit, but it soon starts to blend in, and most importantly it lasts, meaning the track will be as good tomorrow as it will be in December, without me or anyone else being there every weekend repairing it, especially with the amount of wear a racersguild day puts on the track.
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