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« Reply #45 on: July 24, 2008, 22:30:45 PM »
Its interesting to read dw's comments on ridemonkey. He doesn't sound happy about the Giant.

He complains that they're a big multi national company and he's just a one man business, and that they're stealing his paycheck. Surely with his design and patent he could become a big selling bike company himself as his design is so good (Evil)? Look how popular his bikes are made by other companies (IH)....

Anyway there are differences between the Giant and the Sunday/DW Link. The first one I noticed was the different pivot placements in the top link.. Anyway alot of bikes these days seem to be settling on similar looking designs.

It looks nice IMO.
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« Reply #46 on: July 24, 2008, 22:39:31 PM »
Quote from: interdh5 on July 24, 2008, 22:11:52 PM

i believe this could be the new glory?

looks slightly different. especialy where the shock pivot is mounted to the downtube.




doesnt look like the new glory to be to be honest.

looks like an IR by how the shock is still placed vertical.

looks like im now contradicting myself by posting this


tis a giant by the looks of it Wink
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« Reply #47 on: July 24, 2008, 22:42:35 PM »
it is a giant they have giant stickers  Tongue

and it will be the new glory notice the trend in the bendy down tube and the removal of the glory hole, the glorys the only one left with a massive hole in the down tube now.
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Re: Interesting 09 giant?
« Reply #48 on: July 24, 2008, 22:44:53 PM »
Quote from: Geekboy on July 24, 2008, 22:25:21 PM
The thing is, Giant must know those shots have gone out and the new Glory is due soon. It strikes me as commercial suicide to leak shots of the '10 bike just before they try to launch the '09...

Good point.
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« Reply #49 on: July 24, 2008, 22:48:22 PM »
Quote from: Gridds on July 24, 2008, 22:30:45 PM
Its interesting to read dw's comments on ridemonkey. He doesn't sound happy about the Giant.

He complains that they're a big multi national company and he's just a one man business, and that they're stealing his paycheck. Surely with his design and patent he could become a big selling bike company himself as his design is so good (Evil)? Look how popular his bikes are made by other companies (IH)....

Anyway there are differences between the Giant and the Sunday/DW Link. The first one I noticed was the different pivot placements in the top link.. Anyway alot of bikes these days seem to be settling on similar looking designs.

It looks nice IMO.

Have a read of this Gridds, it explains the subtleties of the DW link.

http://www.dw-link.com/reasons.html

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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2008, 22:51:27 PM »
Oh yeah Paul I've read that, I'm aware of the subtleties. That is kind of my point. Even though they look similar, there will be subtle differences. Hence the Giant is not actually a DW-link.
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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2008, 23:00:23 PM »
Quote from: Gridds on July 24, 2008, 22:51:27 PM
Oh yeah Paul I've read that, I'm aware of the subtleties. That is kind of my point. Even though they look similar, there will be subtle differences. Hence the Giant is not actually a DW-link.

I wouldn't be surprised if it actually, technically is a DW-link. I haven't looked over the patents personally 'cause I really cba, but the impression I get is that the definition of the design is quite broad.

Besides, regardless whether it is or isn't, it's still a blatant case of the little guy getting screwed over by a huge company. So what if the pivot points are slightly repositioned? It's still essentially the same and really isn't fair. Undecided
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Re: Interesting 09 giant?
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2008, 23:00:29 PM »
Quote from: chilled76 on July 24, 2008, 22:48:22 PM
Quote from: Gridds on July 24, 2008, 22:30:45 PM
Its interesting to read dw's comments on ridemonkey. He doesn't sound happy about the Giant.

He complains that they're a big multi national company and he's just a one man business, and that they're stealing his paycheck. Surely with his design and patent he could become a big selling bike company himself as his design is so good (Evil)? Look how popular his bikes are made by other companies (IH)....

Anyway there are differences between the Giant and the Sunday/DW Link. The first one I noticed was the different pivot placements in the top link.. Anyway alot of bikes these days seem to be settling on similar looking designs.

It looks nice IMO.


Have a read of this Gridds, it explains the subtleties of the DW link.

http://www.dw-link.com/reasons.html

Paul

With all due respect, that's a nonsense comparison - what's the difference between that and this: http://www.giant-bicycles.com/en-GB/technology/maestro_new/

DW says himself, in the RideMonkey thread, the differences are sod-all. Hence his annoyance. Although that's not a conversation I want to get into as I have sympathy for him, but I'm considering calling my local Giant dealership... Hence I'm a massive f'ing hypocrite. Although in my own defence, I can't afford the £700 price difference between a Glory and a Sunday with the rent I'm paying here in central London... Anway, I digress.
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« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2008, 23:08:07 PM »
Oh sure it is a pretty audacious copy, blatantly. Respect and sympathy to DW, but it's all healthy competition as I see it.

Imagine if someone patented the single pivot...!

Personally i see it all as natural bicycle evolution. A good design will prevail.
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« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2008, 23:15:56 PM »
Quote from: ride on July 24, 2008, 22:42:35 PM
it is a giant they have giant stickers  Tongue

and it will be the new glory notice the trend in the bendy down tube and the removal of the glory hole, the glorys the only one left with a massive hole in the down tube now.

The Reign X still has the pearced downtube.
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« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2008, 12:28:23 PM »
ok second to last  Tongue get the point anyway
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« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2008, 17:55:54 PM »
after further research, ive heard that the very first pictures psoted on this topic is the prototype glory  2010
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