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Help with DH track building
« on: August 15, 2008, 18:25:20 PM »

hi all i want to build a small DH track in a small wooded area near my house but i need some advice on this.


The area is mostly grassy how would i start building?

Would i dig the track or ride it?

I read that once you fond the general rack you mark it out with a rake to get rid of grass etc but don't know if that is the roght way to go about it?

Also there are a few fallen trees would it be better to build jumps over them or try and cut them out the way?

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Re: Help with DH track building
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2008, 18:44:46 PM »

yeah you could start your track that way, make sure you have at least a couple of off camber and camber turns to keep the variety, use the fallen trees to your advantage depending on size you can make an obstacle out of them, also dependant on the gradient of the slope and its length will also determine the number of straights and bends and obstacle's in the track you don't want a constant barrage of obstacle's because there will be no flow.

I believe there have been a few other topics about this recently with some good ideas and how to start, just use the search button for any more ideas mate

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« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2008, 18:52:09 PM »

yeah been looking throught the searches aswell and they are helping.

But its would be like under a minute top to bottom. andy  tips on getting the most out of a small area.

it starts sloping slightly at the top with a few trees then it gets really steep with tress and fallen down trees in the way but about half way it isnt verry sloping and is wuite flat would this be a good bit for jumps and berms?
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Re: Help with DH track building
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2008, 19:01:53 PM »

you want to keep the top of the track with a couple of pump sections then most likely, build up a bit of speed and go slightly across the slop at about a 30 degree angle, then burm into the steeper section were you want a couple of obstacles to keep a nice flow of speed with burms at points so that there isn't any over braking on that section so not to form any brake bumps.

You could use those trees as part of those obstacles there then. When you get to the flatter section you could add a couple of the jumps there and connect it with some tight, fast burms to keep the flow and feel of a DH track without it just turning into a rhythm.

The hardest part is to decide were exactly to put obstacles so it flows well, you should mark out a general line ride it at an average pass and try and visualise were the obstacles can fit nicely between the track so that it has a nice constant flow, take one obstacle at a time and work down the hill.

If you don't like one type of obstacle were it is then you don't have to do too much but you may decide you want something similar before or after were speed may need to be scrubbed in that section.

Rock gardens and rooty sections are good for that along with burms around trees so that its tighter, try adding some small drops as you go down the sections too. They don't have to be large to be fun and you don't want to over size anything that will either ruin the flow or make the track that much shorter because you focused on one object and you need a long run in and/or exit.

Make drops which lead directly into another small object or a slight of camber turn to a close by tree.  Smiley
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Re: Help with DH track building
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2008, 19:08:45 PM »

Ok thanks for the sound help Cheesy


how would i go about making the rock gardens??
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Re: Help with DH track building
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2008, 19:11:49 PM »

If it is mostly grass (like a field) dont bother trying to cut up the grass it will be pretty pointless in my opinion. You might as well dig into it or onto it. You said its in woodland so i doubt its like that.
If so your best bet is to rake off the top layer of rubbish on the floor which will also mark out your track. If its a pretty short track the best way to lengthen it is obviously to cut across and not go straight down. However you don't want this to slow you down but to maintain your speed through the corners and any other obstacles. Make sure you have a good look for anything which could add some natural features, such as round trees, some semi exposed roots could be used and possibly exposed slightly more to make a feature, possibly an interesting off camber.
It depends if the fallen trees are in the right place, if when your marking out your track then it looks in the way and not worth a jump then get out the saw and move it. But they can be useful, make sure its stable and stake the back of it if you need to.

With a rock garden it will be nice to find a natural rock pile, you can sometimes find them after scraping off the top layer bracken etc, ive sen some laughable attempts at rock gardens before so unless you have a nice supply of rocks then i wouldn't concentrate to much on it.
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« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2008, 19:16:07 PM »

That's alright no worries, em depends if you have anything there or close by, if not see if there is somewere that you could get them from like a quarry or such (make sure you have permission)

then you just need to start making a general lay out of rocks, try and use a couple of different sizes, work out were the lines to ride through the rock garden are use the larger ones to determine the path and the smaller to ride over.

Again flow is a big part of this and you need to take your time place them ride through the section at a slow pace just to get ideas of direction change when your happy start to drop the larger rocks in dig small holes for them to sit in slightly and build mud and other smaller rocks against them.

Once that's done you can start to place your smaller rocks in between and just slowly make almost a path of them through the larger rocks.

do this in small sections and ride though it to make sure there is nothing obtrusive that's going to catch your pedal every time.

This would probably be one of the last feature's that you should add as they are time consuming and until complete will mean that the track cannot be ridden to full potential. Just don't rush anything and you will be fine

Good luck mate  Smiley
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Re: Help with DH track building
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2008, 19:51:39 PM »

cheers for all the sound advice.

Ive just been up and taken a few piccys(well alot lol) so il post them up and you can tell me what you tyhink.
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« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2008, 20:20:12 PM »

Yeah that would be usefull mate, it gives a much better perspective of how things could work if others could see what it actually looks like mate. plus we could all get a better idea of the size of the place you on about as well
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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2008, 20:27:16 PM »

here ya guys goe

sorry bout the size and amount lol

























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Re: Help with DH track building
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2008, 20:36:02 PM »

right now you have some pics up are you taking photos from top down then just so we can get a sense of how they flow together as at the moment its a bit of a lose as it is or similar with only the gradient to distinguish them mate  Wink 

but for insant if you took second photo down you could build a small a-frame across what looks like a ditch, and then you could come off that and head between second pair of trees and turn left towards the fallen trees.

In pic three you could sweeep between the sets of trees left to right and then were the 3 fallen trees are build a small kicker over them.

pic 4 looks like you could make some intersting lines through the trees but again from what it looks like you have a good build area and that and now just need to get to work and maybe a couple of mates to help out too
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« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 20:40:19 PM »

yep top down

pics 3-9 are right at the top if you turn left from the first picture
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« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2008, 21:19:08 PM »

DONT build wooden structures unless you have permission from land owner. There a sure way to get your trail knocked down before its even started. Your much better sticking with berms and a few jumps etc but no wooden structures.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2008, 20:35:23 PM »

With some of those fallen trees you could build a north shore/ boardwalk onto them. It doesn't have to be very high, but it will be more interesting and would look sweet.

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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2008, 20:53:53 PM »

With some of those fallen trees you could build a north shore/ boardwalk onto them. It doesn't have to be very high, but it will be more interesting and would look sweet.

Ben

dont even bother doing that yet.
you need to get a rough track design to start with. if its only goin g to be on an average of 1minute long try building in switch backs. dont just go straight down hills....go along them, therefore giving you off-camber surfaces.

with alot of the trees in the woody bits you can uncover the roots to give you a nice rooty section.

with the fallen treas you could leave them how they are. build a little kicker off them into a berm etc.

to be honest with some land like that you should ride how you think you would want the track to go.
if possible scout out some professional made trails and incorporate ideas from them into your own track. i.e root sections, off camber sections, switchbacks etc.

need any more help give me a shout.

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