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DH Training!
« on: August 18, 2008, 16:07:01 PM »

Hey Guys

I have decided that its time to step up my riding level if i wanna start being serious at the races, but....... I have no idea what is involved in making me a better rider!!

I guess its fitness that counts... But what? Running, swimming, XC, or just ride more(which is pretty tough as i have to travel some distance for DH)?

What do you guys get up to and what do the pro's do!?

Any info would be wicked chaps, 'bout time i pulled my finger out!!

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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2008, 16:10:43 PM »

Time on a bike.  Training on an XC or Road bike, static bike anything on two wheels to gain cardio fitness, as well as time on a DH bike, or a little bike for skills practice.  Most of the top boys ride MX or DJ/4x in their spare time, any time on two wheels will see some improvement

Running and swimming can be used in conjunction with but shouldn't be used instead of time on a bike.

Hooking yourself up with an XC bike will probably be the easiest cardio method.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2008, 16:11:22 PM »

some method of timing yourself.

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2008, 16:15:17 PM »

Sorry for the massive plug but if you check out Wideopen issues 5,6 and 7 there's 3 articles from Alan Milway at mxfitness.co.uk with info on DH training.

First one is 'off season' training, next is 'pre-season' training and the last is how to prep the week before and the weekend of a race. Should get really set you up for a years worth of race prep. You can also get loads of good tips at Alan's site (mxfitness.co.uk).

Alan trains Danny Hart and a load of other pro riders so definitely knows his s*it!  That's at www.wideopenmag.co.uk

Jambo's post about the moto-trainer is good too - i got one and they're a great little tool for getting out and pushing yourself to go faster.

sorry again for the plug, just trying to be useful  Grin
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2008, 16:40:22 PM »

Another plug here for the DMC moto timer.

My riding has improved massively since I got one. You set a time on a track, spend a few weeks getting up to a 'fast' time, and then you find yourself analysing the track in ways that you have never done before, in order to get those last few seconds, and eventually, to get the last few tenths.

You can also see your progress over a much longer time.
Go time yourself on some different tracks for a few months, then come back to the first track for a day, and all of a sudden, your knocking whole seconds off of your previous bests.

Seriously, I can't recommend it highly enough, get a timer!
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2008, 16:55:20 PM »


A dmc moto timer eh?? never heard of it, but i will for sure check that out right now!

Thanks for the advice, really helps. Much appreciated!

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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2008, 16:57:55 PM »

Available from www.mtb-direct.com

They really are a good training tool.  I've found that mine has helped me to get used to the pressure I put myself under when Im against the clock.  It's helped my consistency no end as well, to the point where I can practice most tracks I ride and get times within 1sec of each other nearly every time.  Can't be bad.

They need to be used in conjunction with other training methods though.  They won't help your fitness, obviously, but will help motivation, lol.

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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2008, 17:08:09 PM »

I suppose there's two parts to going faster in DH, fitness and technical ability. Fitness is the easy one, I'd say riding is the best becuase that's what you want to build up the fitness for... Build up a cheap mtb with rigids and slicks and do some road riding, it doesn't have to be expensive and light becuase the more weight you have to ride around the bigger the benefit of each mile? not too heavy though otherwise hills will just be miserable. I have a GT aggressor with some trailblades, flat bars and 1.5" scwalbe city jets, and LX gearing, guess it weighs 28ish lbs and I ride it lots, over 2600 miles this year so far, 1000 miles on the road bike and I actually want to find a really pedally DH so that I can just crank the whole time Grin

As for technical ability, that's harder, I think the ultimate would be to have a range of DH tracks and a timing system, but that's not really feasable. I just ride a bit of DH every now and then but I'm not the best technical rider, I'd love to have a way of timing myself over a section and just session various parts of tracks to find what actually is the quicker line rather than what feels quicker.
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2008, 17:11:58 PM »

http://www.mtb-direct.co.uk/  Wink
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2008, 17:19:01 PM »

Just checked out the moto timer..... Seems like an ace bit of kit! I think im gonna stick in the card details now.... Off to Cwmcarn this weekend, be nice to get some times for that!

Roo, got given a super old DMR transistion. maybe i should set that up for an XC(ish) ride!?

Guys, thanks allot, nice to get some proper answers!

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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2008, 17:23:15 PM »

One thing that I found worked really well at Cwmcarn was not pedalling.  I did the uplift there the other week, 10 runs in a day, and I set myself the challenge of doing runs without pedalling.  2 pedal strokes from the start ramp, none all the way down there.  It'll help your technique no end, maintaining your speed.  I was clocking 3.50 dead consistently on a HT in the wet so I reckon 3.30's should be possible no bother.

Then when you do some runs pedalling you're just picking up more speed than you would have been before.

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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2008, 18:55:39 PM »

Roo, got given a super old DMR transistion. maybe i should set that up for an XC(ish) ride!?

It's up to you, I would say it's best to go out for around an hour so if you think you will be comfortable on it for an hour then go ahead, if not it might be better to get something a little larger. This is just my opinion though. You could always build it up snglespeed and and use it for sprinting. I should mention I don't actually do all the riding I do as training for DH, I just do it because I have free time. I rarely race DH!
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2008, 18:56:18 PM »

Thats a wicked idea Rootes!

That gives me a time to beat now too:) Although im on a Full susser!

Thats cool Roo, i respect what ya saying! Definitley gives me something to think about. Think it might be a better idea to search ebay for a cheapy road bike!!

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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2008, 18:58:18 PM »

Let me know how you get on....Full black run including the woods sections  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2008, 19:14:07 PM »

Think it might be a better idea to search ebay for a cheapy road bike!!

You could do but I still think an mtb with slicks is the way foward, not as delicate as a road bike so you can go on night rides and not worry about pot holes ruining your wheels or take a few bridleways to make the route more interesting. Also an hour on my GT will see me do over 17 miles, but an hour on the road bike will see me do over 21 miles for probably the same energy expenditure, suddenly you are getting a long way from home and have to start thinking a bit more about taking tubes and a pump etc...
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