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Re: DH Training!
« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2008, 22:54:31 PM »

I don't know anything about training for downhill beyond getting out and riding your downhill bike, but I do know how I've got upto my current level of fitness for 24 hour racing.

Firstly, get out and ride XC a couple of times a week. It builds your singletrack skills, and good route choice means you can built in good staged warm ups, warm downs and some properly tough climbs that'll get you working. Tough climbs followed by rewarding singletrack in a one hour to 1&1/2 hour route will keep you interested and fit. XC is a fun sport, if you're finding it boring, you're doing it wrong Wink

Still with me? Right, search your local newspaper or your local XC/Road forum. Someone will be selling a road bike of some description for pennies. Pick one up, use it to replace the car for getting to work. It'll have paid for itself pretty quick, and you'll arrive at work having made an effort towards building your fitness without even having to get muddy.

So, you're doing a couple of XC rides a week, riding to work on the days you're not riding XC, but you can't be bothered to ride XC tonight as it's going to be filthy/your XC bike is borked/you just can't be bothered. Plan a road ride.

Yeah. That's right. Road ride. Out and back for no more reason than turning some pedals. But, before you doze off, plan your route. Get off the A roads, stay off the flat. Keep it interesting. Seen a 30mph speed camera? Can you trigger it on the bike? It's possible on the flat once you've got your fitness up, 36mph is the trigger speed if you fancy a go. Mix your overall distancey endurance with speed camera sprints and some tough climbs that'll help you build the sort of fitness that'll get you to the top of the hills the best singletrack starts from.

So, you're riding road and XC, and still getting out on the DH bike every weekend. Your fitness is getting better and you can sprint your local track without being out of breath? Time to shave some seconds in the technique department then.

You can get a DMC moto-trainer, but they're expensive and designed for circuits, not sprint events. What you want is a Sportcount 90030 stopwatch which is identical in form but doesn't record 100 laptimes and hence costs £22 less. I'm pretty good at remembering the number of seconds my last run took and the £22 I didn't have to spend is much better spent on bike parts that'll actually make me faster, like a tyre with some tread on it.

I've been doing all of the above for about six months, and I've gotten bored of all my local XC loops, bored of riding on the road on my own and I still have the fear on the DH tracks.

My latest tool is Rollers. All you need is some friends with roadbikes, a doorframe, rollers and bike computers attatched to your roadbikes. Then start competing for who can
A) stay upright longest without touching the doorframe (for newbies)
B) Get the highest top speed on the rollers without walking it across the room, or falling off (more about pedalling technique than raw power, though it helps!)
C) Complete impossible interval sessions, like a minute at 20mph, 30 seconds at 30 and 20 at 40, then back down again. (This hurts so very much)

Congratulations. You are now a cycling freak.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2008, 11:20:01 AM »

good find, i got the DMC Mototrainer direct for about that price before MTB-direct started importing them. quite fancy another for the XC bike.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2008, 11:37:48 AM »

quite simply do Royal Marine Commando training then when you come out you will be fit as an olypic athlete until you touch beer  Wink
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2008, 11:40:02 AM »

quite simply do Royal Marine Commando training then when you come out you will be fit as an olypic athlete until you touch beer  Wink

only downside is you have to go to helmand and get shot at....
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2008, 11:47:46 AM »

only downside is you have to go to helmand and get shot at....

And as downsides go, thats a pretty big one Cheesy
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2008, 18:11:54 PM »

Chasealex,

Thats a wicked reply. Thanks for your time buddy, that does help! Im a debating to wether i try and get a road bike or an XC? Im just thinking that it will be dark evenings very soon, and i'll spend my time riding Dh on the weekends, so a road bike makes sense for weekdays???

I guess, any riding as much as poss is the way forward.....

I got my Moto timer thingy in the post today. Will use it in wales, think it will come in very handy!!

Thanks again boys for the help!
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2008, 18:26:48 PM »

Why does everyone think dh training is soley cardio? Whenever training is mentioned it is simply 'oh, go out and slog on the road bike for miles.'  Roll Eyes

Strength training is also very necessary in the correct form.

If making your own plan for dh you should have a balance of cardio and strength training throughout the week.
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2008, 18:36:34 PM »

about 75% of dh is anerobic threshold ,

think of it as a pyramid

at the bottom are your slogged out over winter base miles

above that are your slightly faster training rides in january ,

at the top should be your anerobic threshold training , the smallest ammount but with a solid base it will come through strongly

threshold training is easiest on a turbo but i do it on the road so is possible and it basically involves interval training .... hard as you can for a certain time , a certain number of cycles

combined with a good weights program and lots of riding (the important bit ..havign the power down is no good if you dont got the skills) and youll be doing as well as you can!

some people just dont have race heads , i race predominantly XC and i ride with guys who can  cream me in training rides , come race day they have their heads on backwards and ride all wrong !
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2008, 18:41:53 PM »

Why does everyone think dh training is soley cardio? Whenever training is mentioned it is simply 'oh, go out and slog on the road bike for miles.'  Roll Eyes

Strength training is also very necessary in the correct form.

If making your own plan for dh you should have a balance of cardio and strength training throughout the week.
only if your built like a 12 year old girl Cheesy
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2008, 18:43:10 PM »

Very true about weight training...... just gotta get a gym membership first. Thats also on the cards as the ol man tits are creeping back (no matter how skinny i get, im still plagued by 'em)! Wink

I'll have to check out some roadie websites about threshold training, know any Trail Rat, thats worth looking at for training programs?

Could i just pick up a cheapish turbo and hook my dh ride to it??

Bill, you got the body of a 12 yr old girl! Your mum showed me pics of you posing with your crosser!
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2008, 18:45:52 PM »

i was workin on it haha, and it lets me hold onto a crosser for 20 mins solid 5 or 6 times a day every weekend so can't be too bad, and you boys are worried about strength for a 4 min Dh run Roll Eyes Tongue
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2008, 18:48:52 PM »


Bill, I hear ya on that!! Do you do any sort of training for motoX? Or do you just freestyle it and hope for the best?Smiley
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« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2008, 18:53:51 PM »

i was workin on it haha, and it lets me hold onto a crosser for 20 mins solid 5 or 6 times a day every weekend so can't be too bad, and you boys are worried about strength for a 4 min Dh run Roll Eyes Tongue

Why are you on this forum? Piss off to an mx one  Cheesy
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« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2008, 19:01:41 PM »

just cardio, as it happens Cheesy just go out on the road bike, have a loop thats a shade under 15 miles that i can do in 40 minutes going pretty flat out, thats same as 2 motos of me flat out cardio wise seems to work pretty good, I don't really get arm pump or any strength issues so i don't see the point in messing about with weights, just putting in the hours should maintain strength. cardio has really helped though could do a flat out  DH run on 2-3 min track and recover in about 20 seconds dunno how its helped with mx as i had already been training for months before i started but i deffinatley got an advantage over my riding buddies as they can barely ever last a full 20 min session of racing amongst ourselves, so it must be working Grin
 Arm pump is usually a head thing i never got it in DH, i got it briefly when the mx tracks still scared me a bit too much and i was holding on too tight but now i am confident with it i don't get it at all. also alot of people hang on really tight which gives them arm pump, grips should almost rattle in your hands.
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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2008, 09:21:17 AM »

I find riding without a chain the easiest way to practice as it highlights your errors and forces you to lay off the brakes in corners.  You will try it and hit a corner badly and come out at walking pace, then by the end of the day you will be coming out of the same corner pinned and keeping your speed everywhere without pedalling and it feels so much better.  If you can be fast without pedalling its ideal because when your knackered at a race it wont affect your performance as much

plus its quiet and you dont beak mechs

also just have as much two wheeled fun as possible, bike skills are so important and its better learning them on a BMX/motobike than on your downhill bike.  Its insane how good all the pros are just pissing about on bikes; manualling round hairpin bends, riding trails, riding minibikes etc.  You think road bikes are gay, try wheelying one for 100 meters clipped in. 

And its way more fun being on a bike the whole time than in the gym
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