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« on: August 21, 2008, 14:23:35 PM »

just saw these in MBUK as they were reviewd (DT XRC1250) and sorry that i don't know that much about carbon fibre parts but how come downhillers like peaty/hill/atherton don't use the rims?

to you and i £1100 for just the rear wheel is abit much but pros get them free and surely if they are dent and distorsion free and super light then they should be good for downhill.

(or am i missing blatent issues to do with how carbon fibre works under stress)
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2008, 14:25:39 PM »

They're XC rims...not designed for heavy abuse that you get in DH.

They may not dent or bent...but that doesn't mean they're indestructable.

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2008, 14:27:52 PM »

They're XC rims...not designed for heavy abuse that you get in DH.

yeh but not specifically these rims, could carbon be used to make DH rims? or is it just not feasable?
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« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2008, 14:32:34 PM »

BY the time you'd put enough strength into them for DH they'd probably have very little weight advantage.

Money is still an issue for top DH teams. They don't have a limitless budget. With the big guys like Rennie getting a wheel built for every run on some circuits, a $50 rim is far more appealing than a hugely expensive carbon one, even for the best funded teams.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2008, 14:36:24 PM »

Theoretically carbon could be used to make a DH rim.  However, the technology is fairly immature.  I'm sure we will start seeing them more and more but currently they're gonna be very expensive and offer very little over an ali rim.  

Carbon composites can suffer from internal defects that cannot be seen from the outside, i.e. you can see a cracked ali rim, a carbon rim could be damaged but without NDT there'd be no way of telling.

Stitched laminates and new resins may help reduce these effects, but until then a DH wheel is just takes too much abuse to be carbon composite.

No doubt i'll be proved very wrong soon.  I come from an aerospace background where safety is key, you can get away with a bit more on a bike.
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2008, 15:11:57 PM »

Spin and Spinergy wheels used to appear on DH bikes many years ago, but they were a good deal heavier than an equivalent strength standard wheel.  As has been said, you can't 'just make it' with carbon-fibre (reinforced polymers) as they're properties are direction-specific (anisotropic?).  Laying enough fibres in all necessary directions is what adds the excessive weight

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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2008, 16:18:04 PM »

Theoretically carbon could be used to make a DH rim.  However, the technology is fairly immature.  I'm sure we will start seeing them more and more but currently they're gonna be very expensive and offer very little over an ali rim. 

Carbon composites can suffer from internal defects that cannot be seen from the outside, i.e. you can see a cracked ali rim, a carbon rim could be damaged but without NDT there'd be no way of telling.

Stitched laminates and new resins may help reduce these effects, but until then a DH wheel is just takes too much abuse to be carbon composite.

No doubt i'll be proved very wrong soon.  I come from an aerospace background where safety is key, you can get away with a bit more on a bike.

This man speaks the truth, biggest problem is the insiduous type of cracks you get in it. There are some technologies on the horizon for (kind of) sorting this out but they just arent ready (or cheap enough) yet. Still, I would hazard to guess that as the technology gets cheaper we will start to see more composite parts in DH.
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 16:31:24 PM »

Surely...

Low pressure with tubeless etc means more impact towards the rim. Any scratch to the rim is going to weaken the structure massively. I know that the first thing i damage on a new bike is rims / pedals before any big bails.

Can't see it being a good idea.
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