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Juicy issues...
« on: August 22, 2008, 19:54:21 PM »

Hey,

Since last posting about a similar subject, it seems the problem has not been sorted.

I have a pair 2008 avid juicy 5 brakes, which I bought from a local bike shop. I fitted them and they were running brilliantly, for a few months, now, the rear one has almost had me at my wit's end. The front is running perfectly though.

It started going spongy, and the lever would travel back to the bar and the brake would just lightly drag at this point. Also, if the bike had been upside down, even for around 3 seconds, it would not work at all.

I asked the knowledgeable masses of this forum and was recommended a simple re-bleed, which was carried out by a well respected local bike shop. The brake felt much better, however it still had a little too much lever travel for my liking. I fitted new pads at this point. Bedding in etc......

After a few weeks, the problem seemed to return, it went spongy, and now once again the lever sails back to the bar, unless it has been rapidly pumped whilst riding some local trails. I f the bike had been in any position other than perfectly on the ground, the brake will not work for ages of pumping.

So I ask you're advice, could it need a proper rebuild? or just a flush out and re-bleed?

Also, possibly related to this problem, my lever seems to flex like mad, and being made of plastic, it doesn't surprise me. This may be making the brake feel worse, so, apart from dangerboy and straightline, can any other levers be fitted to the brake, shorter ideally, (hope / Hayes / etc?)

Wow, I do apologise if that seemed highly long winded, enough caffeine for me!

Thanks

JJ
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Re: Juicy issues...
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 20:00:08 PM »

JJ its because there avid. every avid i have had has gone wrong. you need a set of hopes nothing ever goes wrong with them.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 20:01:43 PM »

Thank you for helping me with the question I asked Kurtis.

Does anyone have any soloutions to the issue?

JJ
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2008, 20:09:07 PM »

sounds like they just need a rebleed, do they need new pads, my shimanos have more pull when i need new pads.

And the advice on hopes ignore, i had nothing but problems with squeeling over heating boiling them.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2008, 20:12:49 PM »

I will definatly be getting it bled, I would just like to know if anyone else had experienced similar issues. I think a good chat explaining whats been going on to the mechanics at the lbs should help....

Just wondering if its anything more serious than a bleed, eg seals or hose.....

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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2008, 20:22:28 PM »

basically, rebleed, check every nut and bolt on there make it proper tight, when u bleed look in the res pot on the leaver and make sure theres nothing in there (weird but iv known there to be some metal shavings to be in one - another story)

avids leak naturally every pair dose i dont know why mine do every one i know's do just make sure every things proper tight ect

if it dont work sell um and get new brakes, i have 06 fives and my rear one needs a bleed after 2 years, it went spungy once but sorted its self out

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go on CRC and get a new pair of juicy leavers there liek 15-20 pound a pair there an alloy compound and should sort out the lever flex....why youd get plastic levers is beond me lol

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2008, 20:26:19 PM »

Seals may of gone.. If they're gradually getting worse there may be a loose bolt or a dead seal somewhere. My Motos did that and it was due to the Banjo being abit loose and letting in air. Send them back to avid or a reputable bike shop to get it rebuilt.

Can't say i ever had any luck with Juicys though. Don't think avids are that robust tbh..
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2008, 20:28:55 PM »

I have experienced this exact same problem with my set of J7s - first with the front brake, after bleeding many times I managed to get this fixed up a lot better only for the rear to go all spongy as well, repeated bleeding (properly - before any one suggests otherwise) has not yet really improved the situation.  

It seems that it takes a good few attempts to get a real good bleed, after which they feel good again - but only for a limited time, usually no more than a couple of rides.

I too am interested to hear if anyone found a more permanent solution to this problem?

My final solution was to get a set of codes (on a deal I couldn't refuse!) but I would like to sort my J7s so I can sell them on guilt free.
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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2008, 20:30:12 PM »

This doesn't seem to be filling me with confidence, considering I bought these brakes shortly after they came out, at full rrp too.

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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2008, 20:38:09 PM »

Plastic levers..

Jesus, avid are getting worse and worse.

Your paying what.. £70-80 a brake and you get plastic levers.. Thats a joke! You can pay £40 for Tecktro brakes and you get frikkin metal levers.. Bet if you asked them they'd say it was to aid the modulation or some s**t. urghh...
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2008, 20:42:25 PM »

TBH you mite as well try some avid BB5 or 7's lol
the mechanical ones i know loads of kids who ride um on street rigs and they work amazingly
alltho the hayes mech brake is sposed to be the best on the market im not to sure
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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2008, 20:47:29 PM »

ok. i have had loads of experience with these brakes.
they will need either a re bleed or a lever seal kit (should be about £15)

if the bleed did not go to plan the air in the system/resovior will cause the problem
sometimes air can be trapped behind the caliper pistons too. which can be bled out.

if this is not the problem the master cylinder seal may be cut by the transfer port. or you may have one with faulty seals. or the resovoir seal could be leaking which will empty the oil there leaving you with air leaking into the pipes.

another problem could be that the caliper seals could be worn letting air pass into the caliper, which is unlikely but worth looking into if the above doent work.

hope this helps
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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2008, 20:51:21 PM »

Yeah I remember reading in the adevert for the new elixirs (published by SRAMakaAvid) that juicy damaged its own seals, hence the black flakes/bits that come out when you bleed them. This means that the seals need replacing, although they didn't go into details of what the symptoms of this were...

I've got Juicy 7s and have bled both of them. Only had to re-bleed one of them again because i forgot to pump the lever during the bleed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2008, 21:09:05 PM »

I know that the torx bolts on the main calliper of the brake can come loose and leak on Juicy 7's. You just need to tighten them and rebleed. Dunno about juicy 5's.

And as for this 'hopes never fail' rubbish i was just out in france for two weeks with a couple of other guys running a mixture of hopes, juicy 5's, 7's and codes, and hfx mags/9's. The only people who had problems was the guy with the hopes and the guy with the hfx 9 (and the alps is abit out of the hfx 9's league). The hopes really didn't impress me at all, where as my juicy 7 was quality.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2008, 21:25:40 PM »

Yeah, i forgot to add that they are quality brakes  Grin
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