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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2008, 18:08:26 PM »

Within this sport, achievable target setting and skill repetition are key.

Target both the long term and short.  For example, each rider set yourself a time target to work towards down a certain track, or loop.  In the long term, aim for a certain position at a race.

Skill repetition...Forget practice makes perfect, more like practice makes permanent.  Every time you learn a new skill, or a new section of track your head's going in to overload trying to link everything together in to the right movements.  The more you practice the less you have to remember as actions become autonomous.

If you come to a track you've never ridden before and you're not up to speed on your existing skills you're just giving yourself more work to do.  Your brain can only cope with so much.  Whereas if you go to a track well practiced and confident, a) you're more relaxed, letting the bike do more of the work it's capable of, and b) You'll be putting less physical effort in to the basics, such as making sure your outside foot's down in a corner.

These little on-bar stopwatches are great for both target setting and skill repetition.  It puts you under the pressure of being timed.  Once you get used to it, that's a bit of the "race-day" pressure taken off you.  Sounds daft, but a lot of people crack under the pressure of the clock, if you can get accustomed to it, it's less to stress about = more relaxation.

A potted guide.  Very very vague and brief, but you get the idea.  Any more depth and I'd need to assess each one of you and find out what makes you tick in order to personalise it.

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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2008, 18:35:26 PM »

That timer jobby is on my "to buy" list as it happens, seems daft to me that every other sport where you are racing against the clock you time yourself in training but for some reason not many people do it in DH. Seems like some pretty good advice there dude.
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« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2008, 19:59:50 PM »

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It's not as straight forward as you make it sound Interdh5.  If you're curious, any of you.  Drop me a line, I've been coaching Harry (barn owl) on here for a year now using my Psychological approaches...He's quick as FOOK for someone who's only been riding a bike for a year.

My brain is the only thing that stops me being a half decent rider.  I try to change my mindset but i'm always negative which is never going to work.  If it was straight forward then people wouldn't make a living out of understanding it.

If you want a case study then i'm happy to volunteer and not embarrassed to admit my lack of confidence/skill.  Would be fascinating to see what effect it has.
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« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2008, 08:35:01 AM »

I've received a good few emails and PM's about this, seems it's a pretty hot topic.

Bare with me, I'm gonna sit down with my books over the next few days, and hopefully write something that can give some decent generalized advice, and try to give some pointers Smiley

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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #19 on: September 02, 2008, 08:41:54 AM »

'Fight or flight'  sort of sums up the feeling when you see a big drop/want to lay off the brakes etc. Well documented and the best of the best have learnt to control the flight aspect to such an extent that there is no element of doubt.If you really want to experience it in a controlled environment then go to your local boxing club and start sparring (with someone sensible). Conbine that with training/practice and performance will increase dramatically.There also some interesting research on the power of music that can fire you up to get  the extra .05% or so needed to make the difference between podium and also ran.
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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #20 on: September 02, 2008, 08:46:22 AM »

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It's not as straight forward as you make it sound Interdh5.  If you're curious, any of you.  Drop me a line, I've been coaching Harry (barn owl) on here for a year now using my Psychological approaches...He's quick as FOOK for someone who's only been riding a bike for a year.

I'm flattered! But the result at Rheola will tell the real story...

Mr Rootes does definitely know what he's talking about. Some of his more advanced coaching techniques include such lines as "Get your foot BACK on the pedal, who do you think you are, Sam f'ing Hill?!"  Cheesy

Seriously though, sometimes all you need is someone on your back tyre shouting abuse at you. Other times it's a lot more complex than that.

There's a little summat I could add to this topic...being happy on the bike is really really important too. For some reasons, I'm only ever generally happy when I know I'm improving, and sometimes this can have a pretty negative effect if I have a "bad" day. For example, take all of the interviews with riders in F1rst talking about Brendan Fairclough and how happy he is to be on a bike.

This also applies if something's stressing you out in your non-riding life, like if something's going through your head that isn't riding based while you're ragging it down, you know there's something you need to do about it.
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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #21 on: September 02, 2008, 10:34:30 AM »


Seriously though, sometimes all you need is someone on your back tyre shouting abuse at you.

I'll assume that role for you Harry at the weekend  Tongue
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« Reply #22 on: September 02, 2008, 10:35:47 AM »

Good man  Wink
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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2008, 21:26:07 PM »

Im a big confidence rider, as in I ride crapply when I think im slow and think im slow when I ride crap. I had huge issues with this which leaded in me selling my downhil bike as I just couldnt cope in races. Giving it another go and not leaving anything to chance. If theres one thing ive learnt, dont be afraid of being more confident. I used to put myself down and also kept saying it to people sometimes just as a laugh but it kinda stuck and felt slow. Now id much prefer to be called slightly arrogant and a rider better than a slow rider who keeps saying hes slow.
Albeit im hardly arrogant but you get the idea, be confident in your ability etc.
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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #24 on: September 02, 2008, 21:35:46 PM »

i have a a very obvious psychological problem...

I dislocated my shoulder twice and now when i look at things i'm not sure about or remind me of it i get the feeling (all in my head and i know it) of my shoulder 'Screaming' for want of a better word! Instantly puts me off and i have to back down.

Does my head in but i can't find a way round it... Help would be nice if anyone has any...

And to keep on topic... psychology is a massive part of all sport and aspects of our life, if you get a chance to study it then i'd seriously consider it as it will not only help you but allow you to help others...
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Re: Sports Psychology
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2008, 08:31:24 AM »

my sailing squad has a "phyco" man, he is actually really boring and is a waste of time. but if it works for you then great!
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« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2008, 17:33:53 PM »

I have always thought Sports Psychology was some namby pamby course to attract people to uni's who can't handle real subjects? i.e media studies, photography etc. Someone want to prove me wrong?
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« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2008, 17:39:23 PM »

I suggest you do some proper research rather than just believing what other people tell you mate.

If psychology wasn't an issue I wouldn't have got the 20odd messages and emails from people looking for advice on the back of this thread.  Do you actually have a clue what Sports Psychology involves, or how it can be utilised?  Have a read through what I've written, if you actually have an interest in what it involves, PM me and I'll give you an insight.

If you're just trying to stir things and be a c**t, piss off.

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« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2008, 20:05:31 PM »

All hail the search button! this topic is exactly what i was looking for (and it werent that old!). Good too see ur gonna draw up a rough guide as many people have thought about this who reside on this forum, im sure putting it into practice is gonna benefit us all  Smiley i need to knock the habit of breaking in corners  Undecided i break prior to them and for some reason i just bottle and have to give that back break a squeeze in the corner when theres no need! pretty frustrating, i could pick lots of stuff about my riding to improve but plain old practice just doesnt get it sorted( if i make any sense?!) as i said ill eagerly await what tips u have  Grin
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« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2008, 01:05:12 AM »

I suggest you do some proper research rather than just believing what other people tell you mate.

If psychology wasn't an issue I wouldn't have got the 20odd messages and emails from people looking for advice on the back of this thread.  Do you actually have a clue what Sports Psychology involves, or how it can be utilised?  Have a read through what I've written, if you actually have an interest in what it involves, PM me and I'll give you an insight.

If you're just trying to stir things and be a c**t, piss off.

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