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Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« on: September 14, 2008, 22:24:52 PM »

Ok, Mods, not sure whether or not this could be damaging to the site, or considered derogatory to named companies. this is not my intention, i merely want to know where the legal standpoint of monoplies are, and how it might be applied in this case. feel free to delete it.

People reading this, keep it on topic bearing in mind what i have written above.

just discovered my rebounds died on my shock, and its got me thinking, surely mojo have an unfair monopoly on fox servicing, as there is no competition for people to use, and no where that the spare parts or service manuals are available from. where does this stand in a legal viewpoint?

i'm just finding it hard to swallow a prospective £90 bill for something i can easily do myself (yes i have access to a nitrogen filler needle).

putting it into perspective, i can buy a brand new, uprated damper and spring, for £12 for an MGB - which must be on a similar sort of production scale as the DHX.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2008, 22:30:44 PM »

eh? you can get it repaired at tftune if you like? Plus a few other places. Also there is plenty of manuals and guides on how to strip them...
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2008, 22:34:53 PM »

Also there is plenty of manuals and guides on how to strip them...


where exactly?

tf only offer push which is different... where else offers it?

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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 22:39:53 PM »

i think you'll find tf tune offer standard servicing and repairs. Ill find the link to the repair guide on my other computer.. I think your a bit confused with all this.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2008, 22:46:17 PM »

not really confused,

to clarify, as far as im aware, it is non competitive to have a monopoly on a market. in my mind, not making service kits available to sale to the general public is non competitive.

mojo do not sell kits to do it, nor will they supply parts to other companies to service them.




if you could wing me a copy of the service guide i would be quite interested in having a look.



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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2008, 23:15:14 PM »

Fox DHXs aren't nitrogen charged and can be taken apart yourself. Most shocks now days aren't nitrogen charged, only the old Fox RCs really.

The shocks do have built up pressure inside them so they will pop open....just have a bucket to aim the bits into, or tie the parts together with a rag and that will stop it flying about and the rag will dissapate the forces better.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2008, 23:19:45 PM »

If you send it to TFTuned and it needs small parts, then TF have to send the shock/fork to Mojo to get it sorted ('cos Mojo won't sell anyone small parts). TF will then strip it down when it comes back from Mojo (yes, again) and do things the TF way ('cos thats why you went to TF and not Mojo in the first place). Its the same for any other service center.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2008, 23:23:58 PM »

i guess that just confirms what we all knew all along ...but if i write it down it becomes slander i guess ....
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2008, 23:46:08 PM »

i guess that just confirms what we all knew all along ...but if i write it down it becomes slander i guess ....

terry and al, thats pretty much what i thought... but does that contravene competition watchdog guidelines?
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2008, 02:22:55 AM »

Well if fox dont want to supply the parts to anyone else its their choice?
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2008, 07:35:44 AM »

but B.A.A. own 7 airports, and they are being MADE to sell some of them, that wasn't their choice!
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2008, 08:17:28 AM »

This is the best you'll get I think. Good for fox forks but rear shock service instructions are limited..

http://service.foxracingshox.com/consumers/


But your right, suspension servicing in this country is way over priced.....
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2008, 08:24:44 AM »

First of all, I think there are a lot of people who are not capable, or confident enough to work on a rear shock safely.

Secondly, the market is not yet big enough for their to be more competition than Mojo and TFTuned- B.A.A will deal with 50 customers a minute at times, wheras Mojo/TFTuned may be around 50 a day (in the case of Tesco, its probably even more)- so slightly smaller scale turnover wise, and hence why the competition aspect will not be controlled.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2008, 08:28:04 AM »

First of all, I think there are a lot of people who are not capable, or confident enough to work on a rear shock safely.

Secondly, the market is not yet big enough for their to be more competition than Mojo and TFTuned- B.A.A will deal with 50 customers a minute at times, wheras Mojo/TFTuned may be around 50 a day (in the case of Tesco, its probably even more)- so slightly smaller scale turnover wise, and hence why the competition aspect will not be controlled.


fair enough, i understand where you are coming from, that was just the first example that popped into my head, also, if people are working on their own forks/shocks, in theory, that would open up a whole new can of worms, as regards to sueing under fork/shock failure/injuries/possibly worse...
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2008, 09:28:38 AM »

Pretty much sums up the whole mountain bike industry really. Don't get me wrong its the sport I love, but sometimes the cost of parts or spares etc can be pretty hard to stomach. I also ride moto trials and sometimes I am shocked at how much cheaper some bits are to replace or have fitted to your bike.

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