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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2008, 09:57:43 AM »

Pretty much sums up the whole mountain bike industry really. Don't get me wrong its the sport I love, but sometimes the cost of parts or spares etc can be pretty hard to stomach. I also ride moto trials and sometimes I am shocked at how much cheaper some bits are to replace or have fitted to your bike.

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Thats more to do with production volumes really though.... Higher production numbers always lowers costs...
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« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2008, 10:07:24 AM »

Yep, but moto trials aint exactley a huge sport either is it? I reckon a service on my Gas Gas in the local shop would be a similar price to a service of my DH bike the local push bike shop!
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2008, 11:05:16 AM »

I'm pretty sure you can get Avalanche shocks and forks serviced at any MX/Motorbike shop and it costs £20-30.

I think it was on here where I read that someone had their Avvy serviced and recharged with gas for £20.

Basic fork/shock service from TF/Mojo about £70-80?

Bit crazy I suppose! But that's bikes ain't it?
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2008, 12:03:25 PM »

you need to take it up with Fox, they will have signed an exclusive deal with Mojo. nothing illegal about that at all, aren't many brands that have more than one importer. 


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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2008, 16:18:46 PM »

you need to take it up with Fox, they will have signed an exclusive deal with Mojo. nothing illegal about that at all, aren't many brands that have more than one importer. 




Well said.  We'll be saying that Mojo and TF are keeping the price artificially high to further their best interests in a minute.  Not exactly BA and Virgin flying to the USA though is it. 

Fact is, stendec, hotlines (for romic) and most other specialist suspension servicing and tuning folks charge similar amounts.  A lot (of cost) is about the overhead of maintaining exclusivity with companies like Fox.  Costs might include the guarantees you have to provide in terms of customer service, warranty for work, training for technicians, quality surveillance in order to do the work, sponsorship investment, marketing etc etc.  All that before we mention sales and margins, the things that really keep business going.

If you want to service your suspension on the cheap, then do so - its your choice.  Mojo, Fox or any other can't refuse to sell you parts.  You may not be happy with the price but that's the OEM and importers call. 

For me, an hour or so (£70-90 quid) of warrantied, OEM approved and usually top quality customer service is a small price to pay to keep things running smoothly. 
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #20 on: September 15, 2008, 16:37:31 PM »

I agree with what your saying,

this is slightly vague but didnt mojo stop letting TF and other similar companies sell fox springs?
Or something along those lines. please correct me if im wrong about that!
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« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2008, 17:53:56 PM »

No, they sell them but they can get others cheaper
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2008, 19:53:21 PM »

how about stendec? i know my mate got his dhx rebuilt there. and i got my rockshox psylo forks serviced at Pace, but donno if they do shocks or not?

to be honest i think its just coz u see so many people using mojo, people dont really realise about all the other smaller companies, so by this mojo probable think "lets make the price a bit more, so we make more money, as people dont realise the reality of what the price could actually lower to."

i think i may have baffled on a bit, but hmmm whatever!  Grin

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« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2008, 20:19:22 PM »


to be honest i think its just coz u see so many people using mojo, people dont really realise about all the other smaller companies, so by this mojo probable think "lets make the price a bit more, so we make more money, as people dont realise the reality of what the price could actually lower to."



I think you hit the nail on the head there, no doubt this was at the heart of their pricing strategy
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 06:55:37 AM »

Didn't Mojo go bust before? TFTuned isn't making huge profits. It isn't that they are raising prices (TF have not raised prices in years on most things) to make huge profits, its that it isn't cheap to run a business in a specialist market with huge seasonal fluctuations.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #25 on: September 16, 2008, 15:35:16 PM »

I don't see Mr Flooks or Mr Porter riding around in a Lamborgini!
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2008, 12:05:10 PM »

Ed, don't listen to the people that start harping on about BAA and competition, as they rely on several different exceptions to Art.81(3) of the EC treaty.

With the exclusive contract that Mojo have with Fox, they will most likely rely on the 'de minimis' exemption as the contract does not really have a substantial effect on the suspension market (even though bikers may feel otherwise).

Even if Mojo imported all Fox suspension products exclusively it would be difficult to show there was any sort of monopoly because there are so many other suspension manufacturers out there (not just in the bike market).

However, if Mojo started implimenting any hardcore restrictions in their contracts with other distributors (e.g. minimum sales price) then there may be some competition issues arising from that.

Theres also the fact that it wouldn't be commercially viable for any company challenging Mojo because there isn't enough money in the market.
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #27 on: October 01, 2008, 18:32:35 PM »

no mojo have never gone bust to my knowlage,
the same as tf, mojo have never raised the prices of servicing, parts might have gone up slightly because of extra cost ect.... shipping a container from america isnt geting any cheaper,
mojo have a contract with fox, if fox tell them carnt sell the parts to customers, shops or other suspension companies then they carnt!
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #28 on: October 01, 2008, 19:58:52 PM »

fox forks are amazing and they feel great but i agree its a monoply and that they are over charging people at every opertunity and the forks need sevicing often which can cost alot
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Re: Mojo and Fox - unfair monopoly?
« Reply #29 on: October 02, 2008, 17:33:03 PM »

In defense most companies make most of their money through spares and repairs, bikes are no exception, they know there's money to be made so it's going to happen.

I'm quite happy spending £70 to keep my shock running smoothly every year, come on you spend more for Sky TV and all the other crap you don't need.
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