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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 17:49:34 PM »

At the moment personally i am not a believer in this.
I can tell myself to do something or not to do something, and i know if im thinking negatively like oh dear im going to bail on this gap, most of the time i do or come close to. But when im just riding and see the big gap and don't have time to think oh dear what if . . . then i will land it fine.

If i saw good results it may sway my thinking and i know a lot of professional athletes have this help. So this is basically a long way of saying at the moment no.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2008, 18:37:28 PM »

Depends how much it'd cost, But i'd deffiantley be up for it, I'd be interested in the format of the sessions.

Serious question- How does it work?, Do you sit on a sofa and get hypnotised? I really don't know.
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2008, 19:06:35 PM »

The rough format would involve an interview or some questionnaire completion, to get an idea of where you're at confidence/motivation wise etc.  To try and get an idea of what effects you and how.  From that point there are hundreds of different methods, from breathing techniques, to simple adjustments of mindset, changing of aims and targets etc.  This much is completely personal to each rider.

Some may benefit from being told to expect more from themselves, challenge themselves more etc.  Some the other way around.  90% of it is based out in the field, observing each rider in training or competition and seeing how they deal with situations, then manipulating things from there.

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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2008, 19:14:40 PM »

I'd be intereted in it.

Sometimes i just lack confidence in my ability. And hen there is someone who believes in my ability and tells me ill be able to do it ill have a go.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2008, 19:17:37 PM »

I would happily have a one-on-one session to see how it works and if it were to have any affect on me. However, I doubt I would pay for it. But then that depends on how much it would cost Tongue

I would love to go to somthing like Dirtschool, and get tips and pointers from a pro on my riding technique, but for me, its too pricey. And as with most other things, I'm less likely to give you my money unless your 'established' if you get me.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 19:22:12 PM »

I would happily have a one-on-one session to see how it works and if it were to have any affect on me. However, I doubt I would pay for it. But then that depends on how much it would cost Tongue

I would love to go to somthing like Dirtschool, and get tips and pointers from a pro on my riding technique, but for me, its too pricey. And as with most other things, I'm less likely to give you my money unless your 'established' if you get me.

The council ran a MTB club at my school and arranged to get us Dirt School. I found it was focused more on psychological things than technique. It wasn't one to one and had to cater for a wide range of skills so it wasnt as helpful as i think it'd be oneto one but it did help. We didnt have to pay for it either the council payed for it Grin
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 19:25:49 PM »

the only type of psychologist i need is anger manegment... oh wait... i did.... didnt help me improve tho. Grin
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2008, 20:20:16 PM »

I'll just point out that both Psychology and Sports Science are careers in exactly the same way as designing F1 cars.  Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean there's no need for it.  It means you're either ignorant or uneducated in the subject, possibly both.  In the same way as I wouldn't pretend to understand aerodynamics or car design...but I wouldn't dream of claiming it's not a genuine career.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2008, 20:36:21 PM »

I am when some one starts mouthing off about something that I've worked my arse of for over the last 2 years so far, and intend to work my arse off on for a lot longer in order to get to where I want to be.

Chalk and cheese maybe, but you could argue that F1 is just as pointless as you seem to believe Psychology to be.  So lets not go there hey?  Councilling doesn't work for some people, it's a fact, and its also the case that some councillors don't work for some people....one of those things.

Doesn't make it rubbish does it?  Anyway, back to the point of my thread.  Gridds, I'll take it as a no from you.

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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2008, 20:56:45 PM »

Its the same that some treatments (e.g. drugs) dont work for some patients.

Having studied Pyschology I believe that yeah, it does play an important role, but for 99% of people practice will make a bigger difference in their level of riding. I wouldn't do sports psychology because I know I'm not at a high enough level for it to make a big difference.

But pyschology on the professionals is where the money is surely?

Good luck in it mate.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2008, 21:05:54 PM »

Ever watched a tennis player who's winning lose a point, drop his/her head and lose the match?  Try telling them it's that simple!

I remember seeing Serena Williams in a match at Wimbledon a few years back where she smashed up her racquet, consulted this crumpled old notebook, then won the match. Thanks to the wonders of digital technology The Daily Telegraph managed to zoom in and read the notes. All positive thinking and motivational stuff, (although I can't find the article at the moment.) I'm not sure if you've seen it, or if it's the sort of thing you do, but it may be worth checking out?

From an athletic point of view, I get training advice for technique and nutritional advice for my food intake, so I guess sports psychology would be the next step. Not being a professional athlete by any means, but rather some chap trying to do the human flag for a cheap photo opportunity, I'm not sure I'd actually pay for the service as I don't compete, but I would be interested in seeing some results.
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2008, 21:46:58 PM »

I would, not for riding but my other sport which needs me to man up, calm down and stop panicing.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2008, 21:50:13 PM »

I would and have before. Granted its not the most "cool" thing to do, you'll get a bit of stick for it. That it untill people realise Sam Hill uses a monster shrink  Roll Eyes. Go for it Rootes, it wont be long before they will be the in thing.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2008, 22:03:58 PM »

Yeah i would deffinately de interested in using one, just to see the benefits. As some pointed out sure your friends can egg you on and give you that boost of confidence for that big jusmp, but i bet your ass off that they would be no good if you told them that you were unconfident when riding with better people or maybe that pressure of timed runs just gets the better of you and makes you make mistakes, im sure they would just turn around and laugh. A sports psychologis has a proffessional side that would be nothing like your friends and ultimately another means to an end..no?
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2008, 22:19:35 PM »

BASES is shite!....it's an old boys club.....one of my lecturers used to be on the panel.....

Also, a change in legislation means in order to be a "psychologist" you would need specific training in psychology in the form of at minimum a BSc.  From then you can use your Bsc in sport and exercise science for your intended purpose.......

This was an option i considered 3yrs ago when i graduated

Psychology on a Sport and Exercise science is "patchy" at most.  Achieving state anxiety, which would be increased by situational pressure in most cases is achieve by exercise in order to give an increase in HR, unlike the increase in HR acieved by the pressure of a situation....

It is a different feeling totally.......you must have been in a high stress situation with the "fight Vs flight response" giving u a high HR, VS high HR from exercise.

Having said that....get a good degree, do your masters and there are oppurtunuties with the EIS which will put you on the correct track.  They will take you with a Bsc and experience (difficult to come by on a "descent" level), but an Msc is prefered, and only a yr long.  If you get a first...i think the EIS even look to help fund it!

Good luck fella!
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