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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #30 on: October 03, 2008, 23:20:29 PM »

J Mann - My degree is a joint honours Psych with Sports Science, so it links in quite nicely, both BPS and BASES accredited.  I'm looking in to EIS stuff as we speak.  Just trying to get a general feeling for interest levels at the moment.

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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #31 on: October 03, 2008, 23:34:51 PM »

I'd definitely use one if I was a pro/semi-pro but as just an amateur, I don't think so.
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2008, 14:06:15 PM »

Right, so when you guys have learnt how to turn your caps lock off, and stopped talking rubbish.

Back on topic.  Who'd consider working with a sports psychologist in order to improve their riding?

I don't want to know who doesn't believe it works.  I don't care if your brains are too small to understand how DH is 90% in your head.

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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2008, 14:24:26 PM »

Depends on price etc really. Can't say I'd ever given it some thought.

I think I'd be more likely to use one if I was competing for cash and getting paid to ride. It's quite a serious step to be working psychologically with someone to make yourself quicker..

Kind of less fun more serious if you get me.

If I was pro then I think it would be worth experimenting with. Certainly after having bad crashes when you have the confidence knocked out of you for a long while afterwards.

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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2008, 14:56:32 PM »

I would pay maybe 20-30 quid an hour, 90-110 for a day's session?
(I can't say I'd be prepared to pay much more than that tbh)

Could someone please explain how this would differ from a traditional coaching day? I've never been on one but assumed that a large part of these days would be about focusing the mind and dealing with confidence issues..

I am a great believer in psychological training enhancing your performance, whether that be in MTB or other apsects of your life. However, I also think that half the battle is confronting yourself with your own issues and knowing that you really do need to change for yourself. In that respect, I'm a little bit sceptical as to how well people would respond if they don't have a completely open mind to begin with.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2008, 16:34:14 PM »

I agree with Paul. The price is the main thing that's holding me back if I were to be honest. I'm not doubting the benefits, (I know I've got hang ups over hucks, but can do drops on flowing trails no problem for example,) but this is something that is relatively new compared to the other aspects of training, so it will attract the doubters. I'd be more inclined to use a Psychologist if it was offered in an intensive package, like personal trainer, physio, dietry advice and counselling session all together.
Also, I don't think you should belittle people who don't agree this works. I appreciate nonsense posting in a serious topic you've put a lot of time and effort in to is frustrating, but saying people's brains are too small to comprehend the practice will not get an honest response. And for the record, I do think this would work, having a Sister who has worked with OCD and head trauma patients on a professional level to overcome their issues and hearing about the results, but whilst these are recognised conditions this field is not, so will be a hard sell unfortunately, although I do wish you the best of luck.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #36 on: October 04, 2008, 16:44:59 PM »

id do it, it would improve me skillz.
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« Reply #37 on: October 04, 2008, 16:45:37 PM »

I wouldn't because I don't ride at a high enough level. There's definitely something in it though; I'm probably just as physically capable as riders at world cups, and yet I can't win a regional race so it is all in the brain.
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« Reply #38 on: October 04, 2008, 17:28:00 PM »

I agree with Paul. The price is the main thing that's holding me back if I were to be honest. I'm not doubting the benefits, (I know I've got hang ups over hucks, but can do drops on flowing trails no problem for example,) but this is something that is relatively new compared to the other aspects of training, so it will attract the doubters. I'd be more inclined to use a Psychologist if it was offered in an intensive package, like personal trainer, physio, dietry advice and counselling session all together.
Also, I don't think you should belittle people who don't agree this works. I appreciate nonsense posting in a serious topic you've put a lot of time and effort in to is frustrating, but saying people's brains are too small to comprehend the practice will not get an honest response. And for the record, I do think this would work, having a Sister who has worked with OCD and head trauma patients on a professional level to overcome their issues and hearing about the results, but whilst these are recognised conditions this field is not, so will be a hard sell unfortunately, although I do wish you the best of luck.

People who genuinely don't believe it works like Gridds for example, is one thing.  Each to their own.  People who just post shite, like that biscuito kid get belittled Smiley

As for pricing and package, I've got a load of ideas for how I'd do it.  I'd love to incorporate it into coaching along the lines of Dirt School for everyone and anyone, while offering it as a solo "training method" for those who are more serious about it, pro teams etc for example.

It's all just ideas at the moment.  I'm still at uni, I just wanna work out whether I'd be wasting my time working towards it or not!

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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2008, 07:15:39 AM »

I'm not sure if I'd be wholly interested in actual psychological sessions, or maybe I would, the main thing I'd be interested in is someone pushing me to do stuff and instilling confidence in me to go bigger and hit things faster , oh and to shut up the negative bollox that goes whistling through my head on a minute per minute basis - wait a second, maybe that is psychology  Undecided

But I'm sure even if there was someone shouting "just do it you pussy!" would probably help me tons, and probably riding with people on my level or above more often, seeing as most of the time I'm riding on my own - when I actually ride with better people I can feel myself pushing the envelope a bit more! Nothing like a bit of egotistical competition to help improve things! Smiley
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2008, 09:48:44 AM »

Personally, I wouldn't be interested in the slightest. 

I honestly don't see the point in sports psychologists - the only people I would look to help 'improve' my riding, would be my fellow riders beside me.   They can see where I'm going wrong, they can suggest how I could try something different - they would inspire me to break through 'the wall' when I inevitably hit it.

I don't see how someone on the side-lines, in a lab coat, can analyse what I'm doing, and advise me how to improve.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2008, 13:07:53 PM »

Gridds if you have nothing good to say then please don't post. I'm getting sick of you being so ignorant to everyone on the forum. I suggest to seriously have a think if you want to stay on here!
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2008, 13:19:45 PM »

I wouldn't solely as i think that it's taking the sport way too seriously if i were to do something like that. For me the enjoyablity (is that a word?) of the sport is just messing around.
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2008, 15:40:39 PM »

before thinking about it i would have said no way what a waste of cash a psychologist couldnt make me faster.........but on thinking about it starts to make sense,

 see ive got a mental block on doubles, gaps, because everytime ive get the confidence to try something big i get hurt i dont mean brused im mean broken last time i ended up with broke ribs, broke elbow and a seperated ac joint, hense the mental block im sure this hesitation is half the reason for the crashes so i would find it quite usfull but would only use it if the price wasnt too steap
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Re: Who'd use a psychologist?
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2008, 17:38:34 PM »

I would use a psychologist, there was a guy who wrote a series of articles for a motocross magazine on the subject of brain training who did much the same thing as you are hoping to do, coaching professionals and offering one on one sessions to regular riders etc, and he gave an example of a client who had come to him with consistant mid pack placings at enduros and after a few sessions the client got a top ten finish. As you previously mentioned DH and MX etc are 90% commitment/ confidance/ mental so It seams reasonably to me to use a psycologyst and pay the same as I would per session as I would pay a regular coach.
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