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Photography at uni?
« on: October 15, 2008, 14:09:36 PM »

How many here do photography or have done at university?

I'm applying to uni's this year, and have decided to study photography, doing a foundation first.

So far, The Arts Institute in Bournmouth looks promising, with a foundation in Photography and Media.
also Brighton does a good course and there's a 2 year foundation, but if you show a lot of promise then you can skip to the second or even final year of your BA.

But i was just wondering if anyone else has good ideas about where's good to look at? I looked at kingston, but the foundation is broad based which isn't good for me, as i'm not really an artist  Undecided

So yeah any info on foundations, or even just the main degrees.

Any ideas would be great, i'm sure this will help quite a few on here as a lot of people seem to be really into photography.


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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2008, 18:00:08 PM »

Arts Institute at Bournemouth will be one of my choices next year. The commercial photography course is ran by a guy called Conrad Tracy who went to Uni with two of my old tutors. Both have nothing but praise for him. It's also seemingly very well funded and equipped, though i'l be going down for the open day on the 2nd of December to check it out myself. If you're going to be there as well i'l be on my tod so wouldn't mind some company! Cheesy
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2008, 22:40:36 PM »

I'm doing Photography, Video, and Digital Imaging at the Uni of Sunderland.

It's really good course, and I would really consider it if you dont mind coming so far north. We could do with slightly better equipment but then what we have is more than good enough to get us through the course. Also, regardless of the title the course is more photography based than video, infact there is only 2 video modules to choose from I think and even then you dont ahve to do it. It's also the more artsy and creative side to photography, rather than commercial and media based. So may or may not be to your liking.

The only  thing I can really really fault with this course is theres no business management modules like a lot of other courses offer, you know so you know how and where to look for work in photography when you've graduated, as trying to find work is very daunting and hard work.
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« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 22:12:01 PM »

I have just started at the University of Wales at Newport. The university has the best documentary photography course in the country, and is rated in the top 5 in Europe for photographic courses behind LCC/LCF etc. The equipment is pretty amazing, studios big enough for vehicle photography (and the ability to get cars in), a range of phase one digital backs etc, great lecturers. We are having a guest visit from Martin Parr next week.

I'm personally on the BA in fashion and advertising photography, its run by a guy called John Wyatt-Clarke, who is a partner in WyattClarkeJones. They are a pretty big advertising photo agency in London. http://www.wyattclarkejones.com/

This has some amazing advantages, we are getting to work on real live advertising briefs, set to Johns agency. We then get to compare our work to the professional work once the project is over. When I got here, my tutor told me I probably would have got into LCF to do fashion photography, and that is probably the only other place I would consider.

I spent two years searching through universities whilst I was working as a graphic designer. I would definitely recommend it. I have heard some good things about Bournemouth too, supposedly the battle for the best photography courses is between, LCF/LCC, Newport and Bournemouth, so definitely worth a look.
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« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 22:19:06 PM »

My Missus doesn't actually have much to say about the Fashion Photography course at LCF so far. Other than half the people on it don't know how to use a camera and her tutor was mocking the facilities.. It's making me seriously question reapplying, though obviously it's early days. The main bonus of course is the location, of which there simply isn't anywhere better for fashion related courses without travelling to NYC or Paris!

LR: Is there anywhere with these ratings online or somewhere? I struggled to find out anything about the courses reputation bar student feedback, which i don't fancy taking over something similar to Offsted etc! Working on the live briefs thing sounds amazing too!
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« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 22:28:39 PM »

Im not sure if they are online tbh ady, trying to find up to date league tables about any university isn't actually easy from experience. The times were meant to be pretty good, but it looked to me like the information was a good 3-4 years old.

My only complaint about this place so far is that its home to the devil! Its a Nikon academy! Saying that we get 30% off, and they are working to get Canon on side this year.

I have also heard some pretty mixed views on LCF, mainly the bitchyness! There are some people here who didn't know how to load film into a 35mm camera, or that you had to wind them on?
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2008, 16:24:32 PM »

first things first mate, you need to decided what area of photography you want to cover, because I've been told by a number of people thats theres more students graduating their degrees in britain than there is related jobs in the whole of europe making it hugely competetive so going for a general photography degree doesnt really make sense atm (or at least not to me) as you want to be as focussed on your chosen area as possible to get the job you want (obviously you can branch out into other areas and explore but you want to still get the relevant skills-buissness as well as techinical cos a lot of work is handed to freelance photogs)

I'm personally doing documentary n photojournalism at gloucestershire uni (just started this year.) look at how proffessional a uni looks, i applied to staffordshire until i saw their leaflet they sent me with course details, it was very cheap looking and the information was poor, whereas glos uni sent me a whole glossy booklet packed with info and kept in regular contact regarding any changes i made, so i cancelled the staffs uni (im sure its an ok uni just not the impression i got) choice and went for glos uni.

Not sure foundation courses are necessary, i didnt do one and have never done photography at school in college, so im completely self taught until about 5 weeks ago when i came to uni, unless the course requires it I personally wouldnt bother with a foundation course, it seems a bit of a waste of a year (i dont know i could be wrong.)

so basically:
1)decide what area you want to go into (photographically)
2)search that course on ucas and just trawl through the unis it shows
3)go through and check each of the course details and module titles
4)narrow it down to 5 or whatever the maximum is
5) go see those unis and talk to the tutors on an open day
6) get a decent portfolio together (makes sure its presented well and semi professionally and be prepared to talk a lot about your work)
7)apply


seems a lot of work but its a massive decision to make and you wont want to make the wrong choice and end up regretting it the whole time you are there, cos you will be there for a minimum of 3 years if you do a full degree (sorry to put more pressure on you to get it right lol)

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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2008, 19:13:09 PM »

Not sure foundation courses are necessary, i didnt do one and have never done photography at school in college, so im completely self taught until about 5 weeks ago when i came to uni, unless the course requires it I personally wouldnt bother with a foundation course, it seems a bit of a waste of a year (i dont know i could be wrong.)

Most really good uni's wont take you onto any art or design course without one. It takes your method of thinking away from "school" and into "degree."
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« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 20:16:26 PM »

Cheers for these replys guys they do help, i ordered the University of Wales prospectus, it looks good.
I'm off to the arts institute on tuesday as well so hopefully that'll be good as it's the one i want to go to at the moment.
ANd yeah 'mind the gap' cheers for that, i know i can't be to vague as it is very competitive. IT's a commercial photography degree i'm looking at tomorow... i guess ideally i'd like to get into fashion photography? I'm still not sure yet though.

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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2008, 01:10:17 AM »

a lot of money in commercial and advertising photography as far as i can tell, good luck and all that
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2008, 11:11:28 AM »

a lot of money in commercial and advertising photography as far as i can tell, good luck and all that

To put that into perspective slightly, our lecturer showed us a pricing list for a shoot done by his agency. I nearly wet myself! The photographer earned himself best part of £150,000 for 8 days work! He only charged £45,000 (Only! HA) for his time and effort, he got the money from royalities.

For example, if the client wanted to use the image for purely bus shelters in London for a year, you would charge say £25,000 in usage costs. Although, if they wanted to use it nationwide, for bus shelters and billboards for a year, you could charge upwards of £100,000 for the pleasure. All of which comes in a cheque to you as the photographer!
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2008, 17:34:59 PM »

a lot of money in commercial and advertising photography as far as i can tell, good luck and all that

To put that into perspective slightly, our lecturer showed us a pricing list for a shoot done by his agency. I nearly wet myself! The photographer earned himself best part of £150,000 for 8 days work! He only charged £45,000 (Only! HA) for his time and effort, he got the money from royalities.

For example, if the client wanted to use the image for purely bus shelters in London for a year, you would charge say £25,000 in usage costs. Although, if they wanted to use it nationwide, for bus shelters and billboards for a year, you could charge upwards of £100,000 for the pleasure. All of which comes in a cheque to you as the photographer!

I wish you could get work like that down the job center Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2008, 22:33:27 PM »

a lot of money in commercial and advertising photography as far as i can tell, good luck and all that

To put that into perspective slightly, our lecturer showed us a pricing list for a shoot done by his agency. I nearly wet myself! The photographer earned himself best part of £150,000 for 8 days work! He only charged £45,000 (Only! HA) for his time and effort, he got the money from royalities.

For example, if the client wanted to use the image for purely bus shelters in London for a year, you would charge say £25,000 in usage costs. Although, if they wanted to use it nationwide, for bus shelters and billboards for a year, you could charge upwards of £100,000 for the pleasure. All of which comes in a cheque to you as the photographer!

I wish you could get work like that down the job center Cheesy
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2008, 23:55:05 PM »

You mentioned arts institute at bourenmouth. I am there now doing the second year of my graphics degree. Awesome place, the fact it is so specialist (only about 3000 students) means it is really good, and a very creative environment. Bournemouths a fun town as well, the beach is a bonus in the summer, for several reasons....
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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2008, 00:59:46 AM »

You mentioned arts institute at bourenmouth. I am there now doing the second year of my graphics degree. Awesome place, the fact it is so specialist (only about 3000 students) means it is really good, and a very creative environment. Bournemouths a fun town as well, the beach is a bonus in the summer, for several reasons....

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