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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #30 on: February 20, 2006, 18:02:17 PM »

yea i carnt remember the last time i went to my LBS, Mainly because i can do any servicing myself, (And they charge huge amounts for simple jobs) and if i carnt get the thing i need through my shop,
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« Reply #31 on: February 20, 2006, 18:47:08 PM »

So what do we expect from a mail order company? Have we actually decided yet?
Do we want cheaper parts or do we want better service?
By all means use the local bike shop when you need a job doing, but surely they would willingly fit parts to your bike weather you had bought them from them or not?
On the other hand, I can't imagine that a good mail order company would just forget you once your money was theirs. I'm sure if you actually looked for it, there are ways to get in touch with them for help.
With the changing market place for our products, surly both shops have equal standards they are working too, just the same way that they are equally different in the products they can provide.
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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #32 on: February 20, 2006, 22:18:46 PM »

we're just as willing to fit a part if you bought it from us or if you bought it from the internet shops. the difference being is that we'd fit it for free if you bought it from us (usually)
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« Reply #33 on: February 20, 2006, 22:48:38 PM »

By all means use the local bike shop when you need a job doing, but surely they would willingly fit parts to your bike weather you had bought them from them or not?

Put it this way -

Scenario 1

Your a bike shop owner, in strolls Mr Grom with his umpteenth MO purchase. Never buys anything but you know he comes in to try stuff on that he's shopping for online. He asks for MO purchase to be fitted. Do you:

A) Fit on the house hoping that he appreciates this kind gesture and brings some business your way.

or

B) Charge the appropriate fee accounting for your hourly labour charges and send him on his way with product properly fitted.

Scenario 2

Your a bike shop owner, in strolls Mr Regular who orders Product X from you. He waits a week until it's delivered and comes to collect bringing his bike and asks for it to be fitted. Do you:

A) Fit on the house because after all he is a regular customer and you appreciate him bringing his business to you and it's a slow day anyway.

or

B) Charge the appropriate fee accounting for your hourly labour charges and send him on his way with product properly fitted.


I would hope the answers would be B and A respectively, thats what sets out a successful business from a failure (either through stupid charity or tight fistedness). I know it works both ways but thats what all the good bike shops I have ever used have been like. And remember this: though mail order may be quicker to replace part, what happens if you stuff up the fitting or need help fitting an inexpensive or not much cheaper part? Bike shop charges, postal charges or even all out replacement. It's often a false economy and it would do folk well to remember that....
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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #34 on: February 21, 2006, 00:21:29 AM »

What do I want from an online bike shop?

Fast, reliable delivery....I dont want it going missing or arriving next door a week late.

The correct part delivered, as if they had put it into my hands (not broken cos they couldnt find the bubblewrap).

I want the parts Im looking for to be in stock - eg I cant find 661 Tom Cat Knees in a medium (or the kyle straits - which i would have prefered).

A website thats easy to use - pictures of products, accurate descriptions, honests accounts of its designated use (not described as 'for Freeride' if they mean its not strong enough for Downhill, but heavy as sin for XC).

And if theres a problem, when i phone them up to be help full. Theres a bloke at chainreaction who i always end up speaking to for half an hour about all sorts, he's made a few extra sales as a result of that.
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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #35 on: February 21, 2006, 00:31:19 AM »

I think its always best to support your local bike shop, because if we're all being honest we've probably seen the product cheaper elsewhere but keeping your lbs afloat for when you really need it, e.g.just about to go on holiday riding and you snap your bars, you need new ones pretty quickly. I don't mean to be harsh on crc but, the amount of people on this site that seem to think that they are the only bike shop, i've heard stupid things like "but crc don't stock that item", so go somewhere else. The amount of times i have heard of people receiving sh**e through the post from crc, not in boxes, without manuals and scratched to hell just because it was cheap. If your lbs sold you this cr@p you'd be angry but they dont, why? because most of the time there is a person to greet you with a smile a and a helping hand to talk you through the product. I my honest opinion i see my lbs much more trustworth than someone you can't see and that tells you that they will dispatch another because of the state that it arrived in. price or reliability, and the sad thing is that most people will choose price!

and this could mean farewell to the lbs!
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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #36 on: February 21, 2006, 00:43:08 AM »

Well im sorry as i have said before i use mailorde becuase

Its cheap
Quick deilivery
Normaly have everything i want in stock

Now if my lbs cant do this im sorry its not my fault. Maybe if they want to succed they have to spend the cash to keep items in stock. Now i do support my shops, if i know they will have a part in stock ill go there first. Alot of these mail order shops ect are acutally peoples local bikeshops you have to remember, so i kinda am supporting an lbs in some way haha.

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« Reply #37 on: February 21, 2006, 01:20:16 AM »

Maybe if they want to succed they have to spend the cash to keep items in stock. Now i do support my shops, if i know they will have a part in stock ill go there first.

Thats certainly true depending what your talking about, if it's a fairly common or popular part then yes, they should keep it in stock. Otherwise they can order it in which usually takes a week or so at most. Not exactly light speed but how often do you reeeeally absolutely need that part the next day? Not often huh? (diregard if you like to run your bike into the ground). People really need to stop rushing about more, it's leading to a nationwide heart attack. Man...  Tongue
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« Reply #38 on: February 21, 2006, 09:48:03 AM »

Maybe this is where mountain mania and jamie have it right, lots of high end products with a great service
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« Reply #39 on: February 21, 2006, 10:07:26 AM »

As a shop we will always endeavour to have the right products in at the right prices but at the end of the day i only have a small yet humble shop, not a warehouse that i can fill with
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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #40 on: February 21, 2006, 10:27:36 AM »

If I can order something on the net and get it next day, why can't my local bike shop?  I generally only buy bike parts when something breaks, so i'll want it quick to keep me rolling, not in a week's time.
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« Reply #41 on: February 21, 2006, 13:05:36 PM »

If I can order something on the net and get it next day, why can't my local bike shop?
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« Reply #42 on: February 22, 2006, 11:16:25 AM »

support your local shop
I always do if I can they carnt compete on price but they can kick ass on service, My local shop has replaced a set of Azonic bars 2 years after purchase with no worrries, they got me some hope brakes within 24 hours, one time they even droped some brake pads of at my house,
the guys that work there have become  my mates

cheapest is not the best and oftern its not the cheapest longterm

sometimes you have to go to mail order me a my mate got some 5-10's form crc and mine were fine but my mate didnt fit him, lucky for him they they were the same size as mine so I now got 2 pairs
its nice to try before you buy!!
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Re: Local shops v internet/ mail order
« Reply #43 on: February 22, 2006, 11:22:18 AM »

I think i am just about to open a can of worms here but some constructive commets would be good

1        Which do you use?
2        Why do you use them?
3        If you go mail order do you go round local shops to look and try on?
4        Where do you take stuff when it goes wrong?
5        What sways where you buy?

Who do you rate as best shops mail order or local

1. Both.
2. LBS can't always get what i need.
3. Nope
4. LBS True/build my wheels, can do everyhting else myself.
5. I buy from my LBS because it's better service, good aftersales, mail order cos i need it quicker, or its something my LBS cant source.
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« Reply #44 on: February 22, 2006, 12:13:16 PM »


1   the net
2   more efficient.normally cheaper.
3   no.
4   normaly do it my self.buy the tool so can do it myself.or buy new part.
5   the price.whether i want to travel to back and forth to my bike shop.

http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/
http://www.wiggle.co.uk/
http://www.wadescycles.co.uk/shop/asp/default.asp?callmode=bybrand&brand=cove
and many more.
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