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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2006, 15:15:55 PM »

shame im back to uni tomorrow Sad no familiar tracks about! and being the midlands nothing rough Tongue
I think im more a rider who likes to air over stuff rather than plough through it so i think i'll set her up nice and hard and see how it goes, if i can manage 3 solid days riding in france then getting sore im sure i can go in england fine! saying that... the new bottom section at hamsterly looked narlyer than anything i saw in france! bizarre! Tongue

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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2006, 15:16:59 PM »

pete do you know what the turner was like with the AVY on it rather than dhx? be intrested to see what a difference it has made.

i'll give orge a pm now.

c- thanks for the info i agree with what you've said i didnt run pro pedal in france and it felt good and i have it on now a couple of turns but its hard to tell when going slower on uk courses.

in france the bike came into its own and just felt right.
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2006, 15:18:30 PM »

chris. i'll probobly have my car at uni with me now since i have a house so can take my bikes... whats the best place around do you think? delamere is quite close but not sure how dh that is... wouldnt mind venturing to wales any suggestions?
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2006, 15:27:16 PM »

Depends where you are mate, I'm in Sheffield so theres not much in the way of official tracks at all but some awesome riding in the peaks.
Only been to Abercarn, Cwmcarn, Caersws and Mnt. Ash in wales but all were well worth the trip and Brindgewood is straight mint if you like flowy jumpy tracks, wasn't do my wrist any favours even stopping at each fireroad but to be honest it doesn't sound like you can go wrong with any MSS or Dragons track.
Check respective sections on here for details of each- I will be now I'm driving, all are much better tracks than any other stuff ooop north.
Midlands is the place to be once your south of the sh*thole we call Brum.
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2006, 15:52:40 PM »

i find that it does depend on what i am riding to how it will be set up.
I do a bit of freeride a dirt jump so them i wack on a hard spring with a bit of preload and i can manage all that without it bottoming too often.
Then depending on the Dh track i will set it up accordingly. i only have an RC so ajustablity is limited. however if i'm riding a really harsh track with big rock i will run a softish set, yet if it is a smoothish track it will be a harder setup.
i never run my sus too soft though, it makes it harder to pedal if your not careful in your pedalling motion and like said before it will corner better without wallowing into the travel too much
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2006, 15:55:26 PM »

Hard Suspension:

(From another thread).

When attacking corners I found the bike wallowed in it's travel and the geometry all changed making the bike harder to control.

If it's harder you can hit the corner with more force and speed, therefore more grip and go around it with the bike in a more 'nominal' position making it more predictable.

Also, if your bike is harder it is doing less work, and (strangely) so are you. The suspension is not absorbing every hole and bump, it isn't getting sucked into compressions and depressions in the track. It's a bit more like a MX bike now; you sit over the top of the holes only hitting the top edge rather than the whole bump. This means you can carry alot more speed and actually makes the track smoother.

Small bumps - that is handled by the bike being progressive, the first inch of travel on the front and the first two or three on the back are alot softer so that traction loss doesn't occur when you're riding through a relatively 'hole-less' bit of track, but still require suspesnion action to be able to pedal or pump.

After spending three and bit months in the alps, the first two weeks of which I had a soft bike, riding a lot of very different trails it is definatly better to have harder rather than softer suspesnion. Riding slow, steep technical; Fast untechnical smooth; fast, very rough and fast and technical - harder suspesnion gives a better all-round feel on the bike.

Says he with the softest rear suspension ever.

Run it medium, best of both worlds, i like grip.
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2006, 16:03:13 PM »

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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2006, 16:31:32 PM »

i went from a 300lb spring to a 275lb spring a few months ago, and I think I probably preferred the 300lb spring.. but since I sold it to a friend, I've had to wind in some compression on my 5th, which is ok. I'm also running more air in it now too.
I agree that a little firmer is better, because otherwise the bike sits into every little hole and doesn't flow over the top of them. I went to the Quantocks at the end of June and just turning my end stroke compression a quarter of a turn made the bike ride so much better in one section where I was previously noticeable losing speed.
Also at Fort William in May (with the 275lb spring on but all other settings the same as when I ad the 300lb one), I felt like the bike was sluggish over one of the slab rock sections cos it was track the ground a bit too well. So yeah, a slightly firmer rear suspension set up is good I reckon, and maybe I should firm mine up a little bit more in fact. Will have to try it at Fort Bill again next wknd.
I'm not so sure about the front, but I tend to run my forks standard, which is probably a little firm for my weight anyway, and get on with them fine.
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2006, 16:51:24 PM »

whats up al?tht ti spring not working its magic?anyhow il say my side of this story...

  its all down to personal preferance. tht day in grizedale my bike was set up softish, well very hard in comparison to your dhr but i found my bike good enough over that rocky terrain but i knew something wasnt feeling correct.
 i also think were missing out backrounds here.something no one yets picked up on. somebody whos been brought up on heavy, bouncy mx/trial bikes will favour different set ups from someone whos come from the other extreme(bmx,no sus at all).some of my mates who did mx say my current bike is set up like a waterbed(too soft) and theyd prefer a much stiffer set up. russ my riding bud came from a xc/freeride background and his bikes are set up so hes nearly going through 50% sag f+r but by hell does he rocket downhill quick.
   im no mcfly fan but it has to be said tht its all about you.others rely on our bikes to take the rough stuff and others dont.
   heres another thing.i am lanky.i am 6ft3.i use soft sus to take the small bumps and use those long arms and legs to take the big bits.i cant say if the opposite is correct for the shorter folk out there but i think thts something to tinker about.

 hope that made sense to you all

   al hurry n find some gd dh downtheer n il try and get some time off to give you a few pointers ahahahahahahaaaaaa
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2006, 17:04:25 PM »

you'll have to catch up to me to give me some pointers scotty Wink and your coyote was set up solid! haha. I think im going to keep making it harder until i find a track that needs to be softer Tongue
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #25 on: September 14, 2006, 17:15:21 PM »

yeah it was solid to you at 12stone! and im bit heavier than thee so to me its soft, and didnt your mum ever tell you to respect your elders?ie me! hahaa. just do tht then.set em up at average then pending on terrain and wet or dry set up on the day and all will be good. did any of that what put make sense to you though? hows uni going?

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« Reply #26 on: September 14, 2006, 17:19:31 PM »

not there yet fella.. going down tomorrow to set up shop! and yeah its all useful... good hearing everyones opinions on the matter as its a rather grey area.
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2006, 17:35:32 PM »

Well riding a DHR w/DHX5 aswell, i can firstly say, wind absolutely everything off your shock.

Set your rebound how you like it, and run a rough reccomended spring weight gained from generally an average of how everyone else tells you how you're supposed to set it up. (Mojo seem to suggest harder springs than TF IIRC).

It's very hard for me to bottom my bike out, but it's not hard to compress. I never feel like i'm wallowing in my travel, but i still have lots of grip in corners. Though i find cornering technique and tyre pressure play a larger part in this than slight variances in suspension setup. I also never feel like my bike is using too much travel on jumps, and therefore it's still super easy to just jump about.

The only thing it doesn't do well, is hammering through big braking bump sections. Which is asmuch to do with the frame design than the shock setup. I just have to loosen my arms and legs a little more.

There is a happy medium, but it's purely personal. I'm afraid you'll just have to get down to a course with a load of allen keys and springs and give it hell! Smiley
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2006, 18:12:56 PM »

indeed more wise words Wink ady you seen the 07... lukes been telling me about it... sounds different.
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Re: "I run mine soft"... "I run mine hard"... Advantages and Disadvantages?
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2006, 19:55:08 PM »

indeed more wise words Wink ady you seen the 07... lukes been telling me about it... sounds different.

Not seen the picture yet, got one on the way. Doesn't sound too different, tubular instead of box, few other additions/subtractions. I'm sure it will be just as pretty as ever. Couple of them at trade for me and lukey boy i think Wink Team BOOOOSH.
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